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Apple Details Using Vision Pro With Certain Medical Conditions

Makosuke said:
Most of those are in the same general category of any other VR headset, or really most things with screens--if you suffer from migraines, having screens and graphics filling your entire field of vision may exacerbate or trigger them; if you have balance problems, VR is probably going to make you more unstable while you're wearing it; if you're prone to seizures, flashing lights in the display might trigger them; all very standard stuff.

Real problems if you have those conditions, but nothing the least bit surprising, and for most of us who suffer from one of those ailments (migraines in my case) you pretty much know what to expect going in. I'm certainly not putting a VR or AR headset on when I'm trying to shake a migraine, but then I'm also not looking at my phone or computer screen, because those make it worse too.

The one that is more broadly applicable is the "binocular vision conditions" item, which is linked to this separate support page. That page lists the limits to the strength of reading glasses inserts Zeiss will make for it, tells you what kinds of contacts will and probably won't work, and provides a link to a Zeiss page where you can punch in your glasses prescription and see if they will make inserts for you.

If you have an unusual prescription in some way, it's certainly worth punching it in there to see whether it's supported.

There might be extreme prescriptions for very severe nearsightedness that they won't or can't do, but the big one (for me and my SO at least) is prism; Zeiss won't make inserts, period, if you have any prism in your prescription, so you can't use the Vision Pro, period.

Every other condition is a "be careful about this and maybe talk to your doctor," but ultimately up to the user; having any prism correction in your glasses is a "You cannot use this device, and we won't even sell it to you." deal-breaker.

There may be a very good optical reason why it's not technically possible for eye tracking to work with prism, it may be a case of getting it to most people now and dealing with the outliers in some future iteration, or it may just be Zeiss or Apple saying "Eh, we can sell as many as we can make anyway, file them in the same category of 'this is not for you' as blind people." Whatever the reason, I'm bummed about not being able to even test drive one, let alone buy it.

But I'm more annoyed that Apple didn't just come out and say that in the fine print somewhere before preorders started, so I didn't get up at 5am to find out something they already knew and had hidden behind "most prescriptions are supported." Keeping the "surprise" of pricing details, options, and accessories hidden until pre-order launch is one thing; having the surprise be that you can't buy it because of your prescription when they could have just said "prescriptions with prism are not supported," that's kind of insulting.
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You dont have binocular vision if you need prism in your eyeglasses, and prism is rare, certainly not “most prescription”. what you are seeing out of each eye are aligned but your eyes are still not aligned with prism and you should know it, and this is why eye tracking won’t work. Dont blame your own problem on others and your lack of understanding. It’s like you need a cane to walk and try to buy a bike, and then you find it insulting when they said don’t recommend it like as if you are completely crippled. Get over it and rather educate yourself.
 
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Realityck said:
I am familiar with that.

It can also occur on varying focal distances your eyes adjust to. Usually caused by your cranial nerve being temporary traumatized, causing a misalignment when both eyes try to determine depth perception. Surgery cannot correct anything more then a single focal distance. Anyone starting to have binocular diplopia should immediate quit using the device causing that, and see an ophthalmologist for prisms to be use to train your eyes back into alignment after muscle traumatization.
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Prism doesnt train your eyes back into alignment, it only merge the images together, you are still crossed eyed so this isnt for you.
 
Jring21 said:
Prism doesnt train your eyes back into alignment, it only merge the images together, you are still crossed eyed so this isnt for you.
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There are many potential causes of binocular diplopia, including problems with the eye muscles, neuromuscular diseases, damage to the cranial nerves, and neurological or brainstem disorders. The most common way for this to happen to your cranial nerves is a CSF leak post surgery. Then the prisms are used to relax the strain of binocular diplopia, and retrain your brain back to normal.
 
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There are many potential causes of binocular diplopia, including problems with the eye muscles, neuromuscular diseases, damage to the cranial nerves, and neurological or brainstem disorders. The most common way for this to happen to your cranial nerves is a CSF leak post surgery. Then the prisms are used to relax the strain of binocular diplopia, and retrain your brain back to normal
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"Prism restrains your brain back to normal" tells me you don’t know how optics work and how it eliminates diplopia. If you look at someone wearing prismatic eyeglasses you can see their eyes are still NOT aligned. Eye tracking will fail with people wearing prismatic lens cause it refracts all lights coming from the device. Surgery is still indicated for large deviation due to EOM abnormalities not related to cranial vascular/infectious/inflammatory causes, it may not correct alignment at all ranges but will at least improve it.
 
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Many fragments of discussion about eye conditions, but can it be used at all by someone with only one eye? Or does the device require two eyes? And I do appreciate that there is everything from an apparently perfectly normal eye that fails to see properly through to no eye, including glass eyes.

(I just have ordinary myopia and astigmatism in both eyes. It was more of a technical thought than personal.)
 
Marty80 said:
i always said Apple’s Darth Vader helmet is an over priced headache. I hope the vr fad wears out, and Apple focuses on the things we use the most iphone, macbook etc.
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Before the iPhone, MacBook, etc. were released, you didn’t use those “the most.”

If Apple doesn’t release new products, there’s no opportunity for much growth. Apple doesn’t only release what people already want and use, it releases what it hopes people will want and use once it exists.

As Steve Jobs said, “A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them.”

(As quoted in: https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/this...al-legacy-it-was-also-his-most-brilliant.html)
 
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In a support document published online today, Apple detailed using its Vision Pro headset with certain medical conditions.

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Apple says customers with pre-existing medical conditions should consult with a healthcare provider before using the Vision Pro, as using the headset could "aggravate symptoms or increase the risk of injury or discomfort."

Apple says these medical conditions include:

  • Heart conditions
  • Migraines or chronic headaches
  • Dizziness or vertigo
  • Eye or vision conditions, such as binocular vision conditions
  • Psychological conditions
  • Inner ear conditions
  • History of dry eyes, itchiness, or swelling of the eyelids
  • Skin allergies or sensitivities
  • Seizures
  • Balance or gait conditions
Apple adds that pregnant individuals should exercise additional caution when using the Vision Pro due to an increased risk of nausea or loss of balance.

"If your medical provider confirmed that it's safe for you to use Apple Vision Pro, use the device seated and start with a less immersive experience," says Apple. "Use the device over short increments of time and take frequent breaks."

Apple also warns that the Vision Pro and its battery pack could interfere with nearby electronics, including cardiac pacemakers, hearing aids, and defibrillators.

"If you have a pacemaker or other implanted medical device, consult a medical provider or the manufacturer of your medical device before using Apple Vision Pro," says Apple. The headset and battery should be kept at a safe distance from these medical devices.

Apple says customers should stop using the Vision Pro if they experience symptoms related to a medical condition or skin reactions.

For more details, read Apple's support document.

The information above is presented for reference only, and it does not substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.

Article Link: Apple Details Using Vision Pro With Certain Medical Conditions
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Another thing that remains to be seen and studied over the long term: What becomes of the individual (psychologically, emotionally and physically) as he or she spends more and more time for long stretches locked in with the device? Something tells me I wouldn’t want to be anywhere the person. I think we all know how disorienting and debilitating it can feel to be in intense-focus mode with any of our current gadgets after long stretches of time. Worse is the craving for another adrenalin boost or the lows when denied. I sense that this new technology, undeniably already impressive at its nascent stage, may be something not just revolutionary but evolutionary, for good or bad.
 
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Psychological? So basically 99.999% of the world’s population. Sweet. I’m gonna just buy the apple bra for my wife.
 
Jring21 said:
You dont have binocular vision if you need prism in your eyeglasses, and prism is rare, certainly not “most prescription”. what you are seeing out of each eye are aligned but your eyes are still not aligned with prism and you should know it, and this is why eye tracking won’t work.
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Prism Glasses for Double Vision - All About Vision

Learn how prism glasses correct double vision. They affect how light reaches the retina, look like regular glasses and are usually covered by insurance.
www.allaboutvision.com www.allaboutvision.com
For many, experiencing double vision (diplopia) is an occasional event that follows a theme park ride or a few too many cocktails. While this kind of double vision typically resolves on its own, diplopia caused by underlying conditions can be long term or even permanent.
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If you aren’t sure if prism glasses are for you, temporary prisms, called Fresnel prisms, can be applied. Fresnel prisms are made of a thin, vinyl material and can be pressed onto your lenses.
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bsbeamer said:
Another reason to pass on the overpriced nausea inducing rollercoaster.
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Careful; some talking heads in the podcast community will put you on blast if they read this (assuming they read anything outside of their own echo chamber).
 
jz0309 said:
sure they will, look at the various styles of frames over the years/decades ... question of when
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Frame style isn’t the issue. There are no frames big enough to hold all the required elements and many of these elements (like the battery) just aren’t going to get significantly smaller… ever.

AVP as eyeglasses is an unrealistic pipe dream.
 
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Surf Monkey said:
Frame style isn’t the issue. There are no frames big enough to hold all the required elements and many of these elements (like the battery) just aren’t going to get significantly smaller… ever.

AVP as eyeglasses is an unrealistic pipe dream.
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Look at the original PC and then an AW 9, then re-think what you just said…
 
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