Apple Discontinued These Five Products in 2022

“Studio + Studio display is a perfectly reasonable choice (and costs about the same as a comparable i9 iMac”

Ahh. No.

If my iMac died today, I might would buy a refurb 2020 iMac over a Mac Studio + Studio Display. You can get one with an i7 or i9 and Radeon 5700 XT for $2100-$2500. CPU performance would be a little slower than the base M1 Max, but still very good, and you would save $1200-$1600 and get upgradeable memory, the ability to run Windows in bootcamp, and a much better GPU that can even beat the GPU of the M1 Ultra in some tasks, such as gaming.
 
Curious what the evidence was and from what credible source.

Can't imagine Apple releasing the Mac Studio without an Apple display to go with it, as most people would balk at having to purchase a Display XDR for a monitor.
Every Studio I've installed has gone in a closet, hooked up to the oldest display in the building. That's right, they get installed as servers, not desktops.
 
“Studio + Studio display is a perfectly reasonable choice (and costs about the same as a comparable i9 iMac”

Ahh. No.

Why no?

2020 10 Core i9 iMac + 32GB RAM: $3600 (Geekbench 5 single: 1259 multicore: 8940)
2022 Studio Max (32GB/512GB) + Studio display: $3600 (Geekbench 5 single: 1757 multicore: 12420)
Or, Studio Ultra (20 core, 64GB) + Studio Display $5600. c.f. $6599 for the 18 core iMac Pro.

What's missing is an alternative to the lower-end ~$2000 i5 and i7 iMac options - probably because the 5k display panels are getting unaffordable at that range.

Perhaps this is the time to switch to a MacBook Pro once it's updated.

I think that's the key - the i5/i7 iMacs with desktop-class processors used to have a performance advantage over the mobile processors in the i5/i7 MacBook Pros. Now laptops and desktops are using the same chips and have much the same performance (until you get to the Studio Ultra). I bought a Mac Studio because I currently really don't need a laptop - for anybody with the slightest need for mobility, the MacBook Pro is a far more attractive prospect than it was.

I refuse to buy the abomination that is the 24" iMac
Would a 27" screen stop it being an abomination?

Why I bought my iMac and what I primarily use it for is photography. The 27 inch iMac had very good resolution and brightness along with True Tone color. Those or similar features costs extra no matter who’s monitor you eventually buy.

...once you break the iMac habit, next time round you'll be able to upgrade your display and computer separately. Probably the display will still be useful after the computer is obsolete - alternatively a shiny new display tech may turn up within the useful life of the computer. Now, what you have is a (still) very good 5k, TrueTone display (not a lot better than that around today without paying Pro XDR money) permanently wedded to a badly outdated computer, that you can't use with anything else.

I certainly wouldn't want to buy an all-in-one now, with an old-tech Studio Display style panel, with the prospect of miniLED or other new display technology turning up (in ~27" or better format) Real Soon Now.
 
The studio is also far more expensive compared to the iMac 27"

As someone who owns such iMac, I've been left in suspense. I refuse to buy the abomination that is the 24" iMac, nor can I afford the insane costs of the Studio when you factor everything in. Perhaps this is the time to switch to a MacBook Pro once it's updated. For now, it's a waiting game.
It was thought of that the 24" M1 iMac was a replacement for the previous 21" intel iMac, but now it looks like it was the medium between a 21" and 27" that Apple opted to solo with. I went though three 27" iMac's I utilized, but in reality the 24" is a 500 nit 23.5" 4.5K display which is just one resolution step less from the original 5K 2560 x 1400 which is 2240 x 1260.

For people accustomed to using a 2021 16" MBP which is 1728 x 1117 screen resolution that shows 2 pages , you can't fault the 24" iMac screen size as something a bit bigger for general purpose usage if you also use a MBP laptop a lot.
 
I certainly wouldn't want to buy an all-in-one now, with an old-tech Studio Display style panel, with the prospect of miniLED or other new display technology turning up (in ~27" or better format) Real Soon Now.
There is ALWAYS new tech right around the corner. And especially with Apple, you will get rumors and leaks of which only a few will either be true or actually released. If Apple had something more concrete than frequently inaccurate rumor sites to get information out on their upcoming $2-7000.00 products I might have more patience.
 
It was thought of that the 24" M1 iMac was a replacement for the previous 21" intel iMac, but now it looks like it was the medium between a 21" and 27" that Apple opted to solo with. I went though three 27" iMac's I utilized, but in reality the 24" is a 500 nit 23.5" 4.5K display which is just one resolution step less from the original 5K 2560 x 1400 which is 2240 x 1260.

For people accustomed to using a 2021 16" MBP which is 1728 x 1117 screen resolution that shows 2 pages , you can't fault the 24" iMac screen size as something a bit bigger for general purpose usage if you also use a MBP laptop a lot.
The issue is going from 27" for my type of work (graphic design and video editing) to the 24" (without speaking about the horrifying design and limited capacity) is rather something I'd like to avoid. If I get the MBP, at least I get portability. I am still going to wait until next year to see if they come to their senses.

Lately, Apple has been really pissing me off with their decisions about Macs. iMacs are now only targeted at average users, not the pros, but if you are a pro, the options are far more expensive than before. It's like they think we all earn hundreds of thousands. They are simply unrealistic these days.
 
Would a 27" screen stop it being an abomination?
If they change the bezels back to black, increase capacity and configuration options, then yes, it would stop being an abomination. I work in design and media and I cannot work with white bezels and those absolutely insane colours without getting distracted. White bezels also affect how colours appear on the screen as well, at least for me.

Paying up to €3500 is possible, but not the insane costs of Studio (when you factor everything in). Not everyone can afford that much, not in this economy.

So, it's either they come up with a bigger, less laughable iMac sometime soon, or it's a MBP for me. It's just frustrating where they've been heading with what's on offer.
 
It's not like you couldn't already, and will keep be able to, buy no-brand ones just about everywhere at a lower price.
True. Plus we can also charge it through a PC or something. Many home power outlets nowadays come with 5W 1A USB-A plug as well.
 
Lately, Apple has been really pissing me off with their decisions about Macs. iMacs are now only targeted at average users, not the pros, but if you are a pro, the options are far more expensive than before. It's like they think we all earn hundreds of thousands.

Depends on what you think the "pro" options are/were. The Mac Studio + Studio Display is somewhat cheaper than the previous options of (a) a kludge involving a Mac Mini and eGPU, (b) a $5000+ iMac Pro or (c) a Mac Pro from $6000 (for a dismal spec, so more like $10k "on the road") , and about the same as a top-end iMac if you include Apple's 32GB upgrade (and, let's face it, the DIY RAM upgrade option was always going to go away with the next iMac update). Add to that not everybody thinks that the Studio Display is the one and only option for a Mac Studio display - I'm using a matching pair of 4k+ 3:2 screens that cost less together than a single Studio Display - and even then I had some older 4k and 1200p displays which would have worked fine if I'd wanted to spread the cost and/or wait for newer display tech to come along.

So, yeah, the options for low/mid range iMacs have dried up (but then a lot of people will now be happier with a "dual use" laptop) but the Mac Studio (and, to an extent, the Mac Mini) is a massive step forward for those people who always wanted a "separates" system but had only been offered an iMac.

If they change the bezels back to black, increase capacity and configuration options, then yes, it would stop being an abomination.
I'll have to concede that only the "silver" 24" iMac is remotely tolerable (even then some black duct tape might be required :)) - but there are a lot of other issues with both the 24" iMac and a hypothetical Studio Display-like 27" iMac - like the external power brick with captive, proprietary connector (was anybody complaining about the built-in PSU before the 24" came out?) vs. the captive mains cable on the Studio Display, Ethernet on the power brick, the minimal stand with no height adjustment (or $400 extra for what comes as standard on many far cheaper displays) and (why I really dislike iMacs, despite having had one since 2017) the inability to use the display with anything else (apart from limited streaming solutions). There was a reason for dropping Target Display Mode when the 5k came out in 2014 - when no single cable display interface could do 5k - but that went away with TB3 and DP1.4, there's no excuse today, and no excuse for the Studio Display not having a second input (so, e.g. you could plug in a laptop or iPad without disconnecting it from a desktop).

I don't actually believe the speculation that the Studio Display was an aborted iMac - but it's still a glimpse into the sort of features that a new 27" iMac might have had & I don't like it that much - it's just the only game in town if you insist on having 5k. I'm really glad that it's now optional.

There is ALWAYS new tech right around the corner.
Which is exactly why it's a bad idea to "tie" two expensive bits of kit together so that they can't be updated separately - especially when the display tech involved is already 5 years old (with the backlight cranked up a bit).

It's really the cause of the problem 5k iMac users are now facing - they have what is still an excellent display locked into an outdated computer - shiny new Apple Silicon computers are available but if they want one they have to pay for substantially the same display again - at a time when there aren't so many shiny new display options.

If you take the long view, treat the iMac as sunk costs (after all, you got a 5k screen at a bargain price & had years of use out of it) - and switch to "separates" today, then the next time that either your display or computer goes obsolete you'll be able to replace one without sinking the other.

I get it - some people like all-in-ones, others prefer separates and they're probably not going to agree. However, the Mac Studio has drastically improved the situation with regards to Mac "separates".
 
I'm using a matching pair of 4k+ 3:2 screens (...)

If I may ask, what displays are you using? I'm still rocking a 30" ACD, but since I am now picking up my photography hobby I want to have a gander at my options. No need for gaming, whatever Hz panels, and 1000+ nits is useless for me as I dim my current 400 nits below 50% anyway.

BTW, excellent post and viewpoint.
 
If I may ask, what displays are you using?
Huawei Mateviews - hard to get in the US, I believe, but currently in the £500-600 range in the UK (Price seems to have gone up - sign of the times - and I actually got the first for £400 and the second for £500 about 6 months back).

28.2" @ 3840 x 2560 - so, basically the same width and pixel density as a 4k 27" with an inch or two of extra vertical real estate tacked on. YMMV but I find the extra height mitigates the slightly over-large UI elements in 2:1 "best for retina" mode so there's no need for non-integer scaling, although that works perfectly well too.

The world could do with more 3:2 (or at least 16:10) displays - 16:9 is worse for everything apart from full-screen video (if Apple could have contrived a 3:2, 220ppi iMac, I might have been tempted). There seems to be a growing interest in 3:2 and 16:9 laptops

Not sure how they would do for serious photography/colour work but they're pretty good, great all-rounders & brilliant for text/coding.

(Still, I wouldn't rush to throw away your 30" ACD... great example of the long-term "false economy" of iMacs).

Just to be clear, an Apple 5k panel does give a better image and has better fit & finish (I've been using an iMac for the last 5 years) - I'd hope so, since a pair of studio displays (with height-adjustable stands) would have cost 4x as much as my dual display setup. Seriously, though - apart from the cost, this set-up is all-round much better suited to my needs - the point being that "separates" give you more choice, even if you'd choose something different than me.
 
Is the old (overpriced) 5W power plug really worth mentioning?
Well, sure. I mean - kinda defeats the lunacy that dropping the "in-box charger" was this diabolical plan to monetize / sell the 5W charger. Also, rather exposes the flaw in the other lunacy that including a USB-c lightening cable in the iPhone box was inconsistent with environmental messaging.
 
“Gotta wear out those batteries faster somehow Tim”
“Yeah you’re right Jeff, discontinue the 5W charger. That ought to do it”
So uh... One+ including in-box 50w or 125w Vooc / Super Vooc chargers is ... what? An even worse consumer malignity? Are Google, Samsung, Xiaomi to be praised for excluding their in-box fast chargers now?
 
I'm not sure what we are going to do when Apple decides to introduce USB-C for the new iPhone next year. We will not be able to charge our iPhone with a 5W charger anymore.
USB-c on iPhones - PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE CONFIRMED! Apple just needed plausible deniability from the EU. "😭 our hands are tied! 😢 We had to no choice but to include USB-c on the next iPhone! 😔 Blame the EU that you can't use your 5W charger anymore. 🤬"

Behind the scenes: "Hey, thanks EU 🥳 Thanks to you, now we can FORCE fast charging and rake in those sweet, sweet battery replacement fees! 🤑 Muwahahahhaah! <mustache tweak>"
 
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Huawei Mateviews - hard to get in the US, I believe, but currently in the £500-600 range in the UK (Price seems to have gone up - sign of the times - and I actually got the first for £400 and the second for £500 about 6 months back).

28.2" @ 3840 x 2560 - so, basically the same width and pixel density as a 4k 27" with an inch or two of extra vertical real estate tacked on. YMMV but I find the extra height mitigates the slightly over-large UI elements in 2:1 "best for retina" mode so there's no need for non-integer scaling, although that works perfectly well too.

The world could do with more 3:2 (or at least 16:10) displays - 16:9 is worse for everything apart from full-screen video (if Apple could have contrived a 3:2, 220ppi iMac, I might have been tempted). There seems to be a growing interest in 3:2 and 16:9 laptops

Not sure how they would do for serious photography/colour work but they're pretty good, great all-rounders & brilliant for text/coding.

(Still, I wouldn't rush to throw away your 30" ACD... great example of the long-term "false economy" of iMacs).

Just to be clear, an Apple 5k panel does give a better image and has better fit & finish (I've been using an iMac for the last 5 years) - I'd hope so, since a pair of studio displays (with height-adjustable stands) would have cost 4x as much as my dual display setup. Seriously, though - apart from the cost, this set-up is all-round much better suited to my needs - the point being that "separates" give you more choice, even if you'd choose something different than me.

Thank you! I appreciate elaborating on the specs, and your opinion. I am reading up on this model; it does look like the one I want. The 3:2 AR does indeed help me, especially if I use my DSLR as that has the same AR.

Indeed, I won't be throwing away my 30" ACD...but this MateView is rather tempting. Would love to see it in a store before buying, so will search for it. I'll post back if/when I buy it...reasonably priced here at my end: € 600 incl. tax. (That's ≈ $500 for you US folks)
 
Well, sure. I mean - kinda defeats the lunacy that dropping the "in-box charger" was this diabolical plan to monetize / sell the 5W charger. Also, rather exposes the flaw in the other lunacy that including a USB-c lightening cable in the iPhone box was inconsistent with environmental messaging.
Yeah, it’s almost like lots of people haven’t been buying 5w adapters with their iPhone because they already have a drawer full of basic USB A or C chargers from old devices, USB sockets on their car, their TV, their computer/dock etc. and if they do need a new charger they’re more likely to buy a fancy one with multiple ports, fast charging, wireless charging… or if they really do just need a basic 5W charger they’ll get a cheap third party one. Who’d have thunk it?

Next, people will be amazed by the discovery that the forthcoming USB-C phones will most likely be fine being slow-charged from a 12-year-old iPod charger with a cheap 3rd Party A to C cable…
 
Yeah, it’s almost like lots of people haven’t been buying 5w adapters with their iPhone because they already have a drawer full of basic USB A or C chargers from old devices, USB sockets on their car, their TV, their computer/dock etc.
But, but, but, think of that Amish person who is on their Rumspringa or the person who has just emerged from living in a cave for the past 30 years!

and if they do need a new charger they’re more likely to buy a fancy one with multiple ports, fast charging, wireless charging…
But, but, but, the average consumer doesn’t know about those and know you can -only- ever use the in-box charger to charge their phone. Literally, no other charger will work, except for the one Apple sells. And Apple just discontinued it!!

or if they really do just need a basic 5W charger they’ll get a cheap third party one. Who’d have thunk it?

Next, people will be amazed by the discovery that the forthcoming USB-C phones will most likely be fine being slow-charged from a 12-year-old iPod charger with a cheap 3rd Party A to C cable…
Right, Anker makes quality chargers and cables. You’re exceptionally smart to know that A to C cables exist that would facilitate the use of the 5 watt charger 🤯
 
or the person who has just emerged from living in a cave for the past 30 years!
Where I live, anybody who comes out of a cave after 30 years (OK, maybe 40) will be pleasantly surprised to find that they don't have to fit their own mains plug to every new appliance they buy - and how we ever coped with "batteries not included" I'll never know.

Right, Anker makes quality chargers and cables. You’re exceptionally smart to know that A to C cables exist that would facilitate the use of the 5 watt charger
Don't worry - your highly trained sales rep will happily sell you a gold-plated audiophile-grade A to C adaptor (which will also make your MP3s sound more alive) for £50. It's educational.

It's all been downhill since they started selling computers to people who didn't own a soldering iron. Sack Tim Cook and bring back Steve (Wozniak). :)
 
I still have the feeling once the higher-end M2 chips are out, Apple will come out with a bigger-screen Apple Silicon iMac with the M2 Pro and Max chips. (They'd clearly leave the Ultra chip for the Mac Studio and the impending Mac Pro; traditionally the 27" Retina iMac would have specs somewhat similar to a 15" or 16" MacBook Pro.) The 27" Retina iMac was really popular with pro users, which is why for a while Apple had that iMac Pro. So I'm pretty sure Apple will come out with a 27" or larger Apple Silicon iMac to fill the gap, have something in-between the 24" iMac and the Mac Studio with its' sold-separately display to sell to college video editing labs and whatnot. (Though with 16 GB of RAM and a good-sized SSD, the existing 24" M1 iMac already makes a great video editing computer! Heck, I can see such a video editing lab using colorful M1 iMacs with such specs!)
 
Thank you! I appreciate elaborating on the specs, and your opinion. I am reading up on this model; it does look like the one I want. The 3:2 AR does indeed help me, especially if I use my DSLR as that has the same AR.

Indeed, I won't be throwing away my 30" ACD...but this MateView is rather tempting. Would love to see it in a store before buying, so will search for it. I'll post back if/when I buy it...reasonably priced here at my end: € 600 incl. tax. (That's ≈ $500 for you US folks)
@theluggage Well, I got the monitor...and it's great! No idea what I'm going to do with the 30" ACD, but perhaps I can find a software tool that'll display photos from varying websites, and have them on a "continuous rolling stream". Nice for in the kitchen or hallway.
 
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