True. That´s why we still have a MP3,1 running Sierra with the suitable old Server.App.10.12.6 was the last real version of OSX server.
Looks like I will be forced to use Linux as my servers, so RPis for some systems and intel NUCs for others.
This will mean moving away from Apples services too, although these have become less useable over time too, always pushing towards Apples Paid services.
Apple Computer Inc. was a great computer manufacturer that also happened to make great small consumer devices.It's because of the hot-cake iPhone.
Do remember that the iPhone is generating more than half of Apple's current revenue.
I've been using ZeroTier on all my devices and have found it works really well. It's basically a VPN that functions more like SD-WAN. All the computers you have joined to the virtual network behave like they are on a local LAN together. mDNS/bonjour just works between all the devices you add to your network and I use that to access the built in screen sharing and other services on several Macs. Works 100x better than Back to My Mac ever did and has been more reliable than VPN server on macOS Server ever was.I wish apple had a good free RDP.. lol. Random. I know
The App TinkerTool has a UI for setting up Permissions, ACLs and Inheritance that is very similar to the way the macOS Server app used to handle them and it has worked 100% as expected for me. Unfortunately it is a $17 3rd party purchase, but I find it combined with the built-in SMB file sharing makes a pretty decent file server.On MacOS Server, the file sharing interface has a checkbox to inherit permissions on folders. Desktop versions of Windows also support configuring permission inheritance on folders. MacOS has none of this. if everything in MacOS Server was available in MacOS, then MacOS should have a user interface for configuring permission inheritance on folders. I am not interested in command line trickery. If saying “use Terminal” is a valid excuse, then MacOS Server should never have existed at all.
Sure you can. The features were removed from the OS in part because it's pretty rare for people to run any sort of web environment directly in the OS. Most use containers/virtualization packages that make it easy to deploy and scale all kinds of services and environments. Search YouTube for a video on setting up Docker and Docker Desktop.I was about to buy a Mac Mini M1 or future M1 Pro/M2 in it. If without the macOS Server, can Monterey operates like server use? Webhosting, web development etc?
JumpCloud offers their platform 100% free forever for up to 10 devices/users. Mosyle, offers theirs free for up to 30 devices and is probably the most similar fro Jamf.Do you know of any free tools? I remember looking into Jamf, but it was like $10 / user / month
Apple is clearly not interested in the server marker, so it's a moot point.I don’t know anything about servers or enterprise but with the efficiency of the M1 lineup couldn’t Apple seriously disrupt the server market?
You will own nothing and you'll be happy and safe?Leave servers to the big guys (MS/Google/Amazon). They have far more redundancy than you at home if everything goes wrong.
"Yes" - Tim Cook.You will own nothing and you'll be happy and safe?
If you really need to safeguard critical company data, there are other specialized appliances. But that wasn´t the objective of Apple server either.You will own nothing and you'll be happy and safe?
...And what computers they are, though. You don't spend R&D on stuff like the M1 Ultra because you don't care much about your computer line.Apple Computer Inc. was a great computer manufacturer that also happened to make great small consumer devices.
Apple Inc. is a consumer device manufacturer that happens to also make computers.
To be fair, their services are top notch as long as you comply with their agendas. I'm not a fan of abolishing ownership (even with its own risks). The internet is so dependent on a few mega corporations and that's bad.If you really need to safeguard critical company data, there are other specialized appliances. But that wasn´t the objective of Apple server either.
Otherwise you will be fine with the cloud and/or NAS (or anything hybrid). Just remember the rule of 3 in backup you data.
This. There is plenty of interest in ARM-based servers because of their low power consumption (and hence low heat output - air conditioning is a big issue in data centres) and several companies (including Amazon) have produced ARM chips specifically designed for the server market.But otherwise, no, the characteristics of M1 are different from what is required for server farms. Server chips usually have more, slower-clocked cores, and need to be able to support things like ECC (self-correcting) memory.
It saddens me to think the Mac public is so uninformed that comments like this will fly by and nobody notices. Small Office? Competition from Synology? LOL. The OSX you're running on your MBA has the same UNIX (like) underpinnings as the highest end servers in the world. Go to a terminal and pull up man-pages and see all the references to FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc. This is why they're dropping a "server" version, it's not needed and is silly it even or ever exists/existed. You have a full unix server at your fingertips, you just have to do it from a terminal, like it's meant to be. Apple has spent decades dabbling in crappy front-end tools to compete in the corporate world. The reality is they became a first class enterprise platform the day they introduced OSX, and has had this platform ever since. There downfall has been continuing to update the server hardware. For instance, I'm a big Apple fan, but manage a mixed Windows and Ubuntu (and some FreeBSD) environment. I could replace all my Ubuntu servers tomorrow with OSX, but I can't load it on anything but Apple hardware, which limits me greatly. The software will do it, the hardware just creates a barrier, particularly since everything these days is virtualized.MacOS Server never really targeted the enterprise like Microsoft did with Windows Server. It was great for small offices, but along came competition from the likes of Synology and others. On the MDM front, they were early to the market with Profile Manager, but it was quickly surpassed by products like Jamf.
Alas, it's the end of an era.
No, you spend R&D on stuff like the M1 Ultra because your engineering team has shifted focus to mobile CPU technology and it is easier to differentiate your product from the rest of the industry when you don't use commodity components....And what computers they are, though. You don't spend R&D on stuff like the M1 Ultra because you don't care much about your computer line.
This is about per user per device. What about devices like Macs that can be multi-user? Anyway, for now US only and probably it is best to move away from Apple for this kind of stuff completely. Apple is just not reliable as a vendor.I suppose https://www.apple.com/business/essentials/ is now the spiritual successor.
I completely forgot this was even a thing. I've not run MacOS Server since I had a G5 tower in my office. Moved everything to linux servers. Much easier to accomplish what I needed. Interesting they're not making a successor with how powerful the Mac Studio is.
Truth is, the entire Apple software division is a mess of poor quality control. It leaves me befuddled how the hardware division is killing it lately, but software has been left to so blatantly drag the chain for so long without a clean out.
There's MicroMDM but it's not really a turnkey product that you can just start using like you can with a proper commercial MDM.Do you know of any free tools? I remember looking into Jamf, but it was like $10 / user / month
Apache has been included in the base macOS for many years. Managing a web server hasn't been a part of the Server app since around macOS 10.12 Sierra, so you aren't missing anything with this discontinuation.I was about to buy a Mac Mini M1 or future M1 Pro/M2 in it. If without the macOS Server, can Monterey operates like server use? Webhosting, web development etc?
Yes. The older macOS Server had mail server, calendar server, web server, file sharing server, Wiki, and much more. which were all maintained (e.g. LCM, security patches) by Apple. The current version still has device management (MDM — manage your devices) and LDAP (Open Directory). Some stuff has moved from macOS Server to ordinary macOS. But with caveats, see below. And definitely not all stuff. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208312.The article clearly states that Mac OS already has the same server functionalities built in, without the need for a standalone app anymore. So why are people complaining in this thread? Am I missing something?
Simple. Maintaining multiple operating systems means a doubling of your efforts to keep its secure, patched, etc. So, as long as I can run my server stuff on macOS, I have only one OS type to worry about, have know how about, etc.What was the appeal of this over a Linux solution? Serious question. I would just assume everyone would go Linux (apparently they did)?
Agree. But there were some interesting integrations. Think for instance being able to send push notifications to your devices. E.g., you run your own mail server and you can send push notifications to your iPhones.Yep. The majority of MacOS Server was basically a User Interface that was pretty good at manipulating the various config files and preferences of various third party Unix apps you can still easily get using Homebrew - coordinated with the Apple user/permissions system. It was pretty slick, but if you knew the underlying systems, you can still manually do everything it did and more - Apple didn't always open up the full power of those applications.
Yes. Those who started out with macOS server that contained an APNS certificate can still (until today) get it renewed and keep using it (for mail: MacPorts has a dovecot port that includes APNS so if you still have a cert it works). For how long, nobody knows. How to get APNS working after that for your mail server etc, no idea.I'm still running Server on a Mac Mini and I'm considering a migration of CALDAV and CARDDAV services to a Synology NAS I use currently just as a media file server. Without APNS on the Synology, however, does that mean any change I make to a calendar on my MBP would not show up automatically on my iPhone unless I manually refresh it? If so, that's quite a convenient feature to lose.
Not very secure, using very old unpatched software.I'm still using all those on my original mac mini!
I’d add that it ran on Apple hardware seamlessly. I had plenty of small clients that were running OSX Server on older G4 or G5 systems that they already had on hand which made the cost of entry very appealing.Simple. Maintaining multiple operating systems means a doubling of your efforts to keep its secure, patched, etc. So, as long as I can run my server stuff on macOS, I have only one OS type to worry about, have know how about, etc.