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iOS 11 is almost unusable on my iPad Mini 2 (retina), and it ain't my imagination.
 
How many times a month do you cold boot your iPhone ?


I can't believe you since I played all the morning with my wife's iPhone 5S and it's surely not "almost unusable". I don't think an 6+ can be worse.


Lol that's totally false.



Could you price your claim ?
Because there is a video, in this very page of the thread, showing the same Geekbench results going from iOS 10.3.3 to 11.0.1 on an iPhone 5S.
A result much higher than your claim for an iPhone 6 (that is faster).


Actually your video just demonstrated two things: minor differences going from 10 to 11 and almost exactly the same Geekbench result, even if you claim to have CPU throttling (absolutely untrue according to my knowledge).

Hey! i didnt wrote that Throttling to you and to that video. I wrote it to what i quote. Stop talking nonsense!

iPhone 5S in this video is not affected by Permanently Cpu Throttling.
 
Nope, I don't believe Apple would do such a thing', but then again, I didn't think that VW would intentionally do what they did with their diesel engines. In the case of Apple, they simply lost their edge when it comes to skilled engineering. Heck, I'm running the 'latest' 2017 MBP with 2TB SSD, and following the 10.13 update, the hesitation is horrible!
 
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ahh the defense "it doesn't happen to me so it can't have happened to anyone else"

I like iOS11, i don't want to downgrade and I won't. I overall like the featureset over iOS10 and the new dock.

but it has made my iPad Air feel sluggish in some use cases. 10.3 was fine, 11 is not. from Apps taking 5-10 seconds to load and become usable, to the overall UI running at roughly 20fps with dropped frames.

doesn't bother me too much because i do understand the age of my device and that iOS11 brings more to the table.

But to say that it's SHenanigans and people are lying or this is nonsense experience people is having is just downright ignorant.
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Apple sponsored, or "enthusiast" sponsored is sometimes hard to tell apart. there are a lot of enthusiast on the internet who will go to great lenghts (for all device makers, not just Apple) to come up with weird defenses for odd choices and regressions. This is one of those weird ones that the article makes no sense and is weirdly timed

similar to the one posted today about "now that Apple's doing faceID EVERYONE ELSE IS DITCHING FINGERPRINT SENSORS!@!!"... based on what? that's ludicrous. there's been zero evidence of such movement or behaviour in the market, especially since face unlock tech isn't new and has never caught on before. Sure Apple doing something usually helps set trends, but do you think Samsung et al are suddenly going to drop fingerprint sensors if they don't have to?

Apple has always been about providing users 1 way of accomplishing something. And they insist that way is the best. so it makes sense that Apple drops one tech in favour of another. But that's not a trend/behaviour we see from the other guys who tend to try and cram as much in as possible. (with the exception of guys like Essential who, seem to be out of touch as is)
Samsung will follow whatever path apple will go.
You can bet on that.
I don't know yet if FaceID is a good feature or not. I still have to try it.
But I'm sure that if that works the way it's advertised, Samsung will struggle to have something similar in the next year or two.
 
Samsung will follow whatever path apple will go.
You can bet on that.
I don't know yet if FaceID is a good feature or not. I still have to try it.
But I'm sure that if that works the way it's advertised, Samsung will struggle to have something similar in the next year or two.

it's possible. Can't predict everything. Yes, Samsung will probably continue to try to perfect their existing face / retina id system that they've had in place now for a short while. It'll be a fantastic comparison to see how each works against eachother.

And dunno about dropping it or not. We'll see. Samsung is still surprisingly one of the big holdouts on the headphone jack when everyone expected them to follow suit immediately.
 
Hey! i didnt wrote that Throttling to you and to that video. I wrote it to what i quote. Stop talking nonsense!

iPhone 5S in this video is not affected by Permanently Cpu Throttling.
So if the iPhone 5S is not affected, why an iPhone 6 should be affected ?
I'm still awaiting for proof about an iPhone 6 with Geekbench results halved by iOS 11, as claimed in the post I quoted.
 
So if the iPhone 5S is not affected, why an iPhone 6 should be affected ?
I'm still awaiting for proof about an iPhone 6 with Geekbench results halved by iOS 11, as claimed in the post I quoted.
Ask that question to Apple!
 
it's possible. Can't predict everything. Yes, Samsung will probably continue to try to perfect their existing face / retina id system that they've had in place now for a short while. It'll be a fantastic comparison to see how each works against eachother.

And dunno about dropping it or not. We'll see. Samsung is still surprisingly one of the big holdouts on the headphone jack when everyone expected them to follow suit immediately.
Face and retina ID are a completely different and half baked solution with no future.
They are a typical Samsung gimmick, cool to be showed to friends and fast to be forgotten.
I'm speaking about a real copy of Apple's face ID (if it really works)
 
Moaners on here will still find a way to put a negative spin and confirm their bias about Apple’s planned obsolescence...

If nothing else, they will claim Apple paid for this research.....
well that graph for CPU performance shows a dip from nearly on one line down to the next line.
I know from actually usage some aspects of my 6 have slowed
 
Face and retina ID are a completely different and half baked solution with no future.
They are a typical Samsung gimmick, cool to be showed to friends and fast to be forgotten.
I'm speaking about a real copy of Apple's face ID (if it really works)

you know how ridiculous this posts sounds. actually, reading all your posts...
 
How many times a month do you cold boot your iPhone ?


I can't believe you since I played all the morning with my wife's iPhone 5S and it's surely not "almost unusable". I don't think an 6+ can be worse.


Lol that's totally false.



Could you prove your claim ?
Because there is a video, in this very page of the thread, showing the same Geekbench results going from iOS 10.3.3 to 11.0.1 on an iPhone 5S.
A result much higher than your claim for an iPhone 6 (that is faster).

I don't know how'd you like to, but here are the 2 screenshots:



Actually your video just demonstrated two things: minor differences going from 10 to 11 and almost exactly the same Geekbench result, even if you claim to have CPU throttling (absolutely untrue according to my knowledge).
 

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well that graph for CPU performance shows a dip from nearly on one line down to the next line.
I know from actually usage some aspects of my 6 have slowed
Did you really expect your iPhone 6 to improve performance after 3 years adding functionalities to the operative system ? Really ?
 
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New features that eat up more system resources can make a device feel slower, as can more system intensive design elements and other tweaks and changes designed for newer devices that are more powerful.

Others have probably already pointed this out, but this is why my 6 runs horribly with 11.

While I’m sure a CPU can be purposefully throttled down they don’t need to, just add features which require the latest hardware.

If Apple would just have the OS recognize the model of device all this would be a non point, just turn on features which will work.
 
Did you see the video I attached?
Something is wrong with YOUR iPhone 6 mate.
It's not iOS 11
 

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I love how people always claim Apple intentionally slows devices down to force people to upgrade.

You know, there’s a much easier way to force people to upgrade - just copy the Android OEMs. Instead of making iOS available to devices that are 4 years old Apple should only support devices that are 2 years old. And completely abandon users on devices that are over 2 years old.
I dislikes people that denies the truth about theirs perfect company isn't really perfect in reality.

It's opposite, release update to older devices to make it slow will force people's buy new devices.
A 2 years old Android that don't get any updates after 2 years, won't run slow and still can use it without slowdowns. Also can always flash older firmware if new one make the phone slow after update.

On iOS, can you flash older iOS version if they are unsigned? Nope, you are stucked with latest iOS which can't go back and only way is to buy new phone.
Why do you think Apple letting older devices to update on latest iOS version but not letting people's to rollback to older versions?

Who to believe on? A benchmark tool which literally don't say anything about real life usages. Or millions of people's that reports the same experience with slowdowns on theirs phones?

The problem lies on no optimizations on new UI, features, apps etc... Not performance of the SoC and GPU. SoC and GPU performance lies on the devs of the apps, which they optimize for older devices and Apple have nothing to do with it. Even they can and they won't care. People's staying with older devices dont gives and profits and only those who buy new.
 
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The conspiracy theories have always been silly IMO. The phones get slow enough without Apple trying. If anything, I think Apple tries hard to improve performance and battery life, but somehow no longer has the prowess to do so. I would almost admire them more if the slowdown is deliberate.
 
Did you see the video I attached?
Something is wrong with YOUR iPhone 6 mate.
It's not iOS 11
Yes, something is wrong. And it suddenly just got wrong when I installed iOS 11. Funny heh? But actually I don't really care, after 3 years I would sell it anyway.
 
Yes, something is wrong. And it suddenly just got wrong when I installed iOS 11. Funny heh? But actually I don't really care, after 3 years I would sell it anyway.
Did you try to restore it from iTunes ? Maybe something went wrong during the upgrade.
I understand the iPhone 6 isn't a new phone anymore and iOS 11 is far from being optimized yet, but halved performance aren't normal in your case, and probably it isn't hardware related, so you (and Apple) can fix it
 
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Yes, something is wrong. And it suddenly just got wrong when I installed iOS 11. Funny heh? But actually I don't really care, after 3 years I would sell it anyway.

I don't agree with the guy who you've had this conversation with, But that shouldn't be happening. sounds like a bad bug, try restoring / downgrading and then reupgrading and seeing if it corrects itself. if not, a call to Apple's support might be required.

this is absolutely not normal
 
What a load of nonsense. Of course raw CPU and GPU performance doesn't change between OS versions.

What does change - typically for the worse - is app load times, app switching times, boot times, GUI response times, etc etc
 
GPU performance is irrelevant. What matters is response time to user gestures. In other words, is the phone sluggish?

I've read plenty of articles saying not to update the iPhone 4 to the latest version of iOS. I also had a Mac Mini which became dog-slow as time went on. Nowadays, the first thing I do when I get a new Apple product is to turn off auto-updates.

My guess is that Apple simply doesn't care about performance testing for OS updates on older hardware. This is a really common failing at software companies, whether they make their own hardware or not.

It's true that not updating the OS leaves you more open to viruses that can slow down performance. But what good are OS updates if they themselves slow down performance? In such cases, the OS updates are the viruses.
 
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I also had a Mac Mini
which mini and which MacOS.

just curious as there were a couple MacOS's there which were ridiculous for system resource requirements. But Sierra at least reversed that course a bit.

Seriously, Mavericks was Apple's windows Vista for system resource requirements. it was a dog. on all the hardware I tested it on, it required more RAM and CPU cycles for just sitting Idle, than previous OSx versions did under minor load.

I have a 2011 MBA with 2gb of ram (LOL) and Mavericks was the ONLY OSx that witting idle, used 2.5gb of RAM on boot. and regularly pushed upwards of 4 (yes, swapping to make the difference). Sierra, and the OSx's that came before Mavericks tended toonly need 1.2gb at boot.

so if your Mac Mini didn't have quite the resources, it'll have felt sluggish. this also depends entirely which Mini you have and what options, as the 2014 mini was a serious performance downgrade from the 2012
 
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