Apple Doesn't Deliberately Slow Down Older Devices According to Benchmark Analysis

[svan71]

It should, there is now indisputable evidence that these disgusting allegations made about Apple are completely untrue.

you have "indisputable evidence" that the cpu /gpu performance is the same that does not explain why the os is so slow on older devices not apps.

 

[dumastudetto]

you have "indisputable evidence" that the cpu /gpu performance is the same that does not explain why the os is so slow on older devices not apps.

iOS is updated to take advantage of the latest technologies in new devices. This includes cpu, graphics, and memory. Older devices can still run newer versions of iOS, but obviously they will run more slowly

We will start to see less of this now because iOS devices are getting very close to matching Mac intel performance, and the amount of RAM full blown macOS needs to run effectively is pretty much there for iOS devices now too.

 

[MyMacintosh]

Should probably update this now....

 

[solivier]

Should probably update this now....

Yeah those indisputable bastards who didn’t believe to their own eyes and just kept saying that they had seen benchmark tests where the performance was the same and couldn’t freaking understand that for many of us that wasn’t the case and just vehemently kept saying that we are all stupid, even when we attached proof. Alternative fact I guess! happy life with good blinders!
Actually I noticed it myself after replacing the battery that speed is completely the same as it was when I bought it.

 

[Abazigal]

Should probably update this now....

Well, the term “deliberately” here insinuates foul play or malice of some sort. Apple slows down your phone to avoid voltage issues associated with a degraded battery, not to screw the user over and force them to upgrade.

 

[MyMacintosh]

Well, the term “deliberately” here insinuates foul play or malice of some sort. Apple slows down your phone to avoid voltage issues associated with a degraded battery, not to screw the user over and force them to upgrade.

Incorrect. Deliberate = consciously, intentionally. Nothing about malice. Apple KNOWINGLY slowed devices down without consumers knowing. Can't really spin this.

 

[NT1440]

Incorrect. Deliberate = consciously, intentionally. Nothing about malice. Apple KNOWINGLY slowed devices down without consumers knowing. Can't really spin this.

Put another way, Apple KNOWINGLY made the decision that it was better to have a running slow phone than one that (especially in the cold) doesn’t turn on and/or shuts off unexpectedly. Something which I personally had as an issue in the past with.

The horror of having a functioning phone, THE HORROR.

 

[C DM]

Incorrect. Deliberate = consciously, intentionally. Nothing about malice. Apple KNOWINGLY slowed devices down without consumers knowing. Can't really spin this.

But at the same time it wasn't anything in relation to it simply happening just with nothing more than updates, especially major ones like iOS 11 or 10, for example, which is really more what this particular article and discussion has been about.

 

[Septembersrain]

Put another way, Apple KNOWINGLY made the decision that it was better to have a running slow phone than one that (especially in the cold) doesn’t turn on and/or shuts off unexpectedly. Something which I personally had as an issue in the past with.

The horror of having a functioning phone, THE HORROR.

I think everyone has a different idea of functioning. If you can't even open an app, I'd rather it shut off. At least then it would be obvious the problem isn't just an iOS update. That the device has a hardware problem. Unfortunately in thinking it's iOS, most users just assume their phone is old and buy a new one.

How does this not benefit Apple?

They get to turn away people from battery replacements if it passes their test. That ultimately makes the person sit between a rock and hard place. So they'll usually end up buying another iPhone.

Apple benefits again.

See the trend?

 

[solivier]

Put another way, Apple KNOWINGLY made the decision that it was better to have a running slow phone than one that (especially in the cold) doesn’t turn on and/or shuts off unexpectedly. Something which I personally had as an issue in the past with.

The horror of having a functioning phone, THE HORROR.

In such case, Apple like every other manufacturer on our planet should have a pop up warning that your battery has degraded too much, so to prevent certain things blah blah blah, we have to throttle back the CPU performance. They don’t do it because when you have a crappy battery and slow phone you are very likely to replace it soon and no, not the battery, the whole phone. wouldn’t be such a good business for them as for the two years old phones most of the people would replace the battery with a third party to save.

 

[Count Blah]

Well, the term “deliberately” here insinuates foul play or malice of some sort. Apple slows down your phone to avoid voltage issues associated with a degraded battery, not to screw the user over and force them to upgrade.

That just came as a bonus

 

[solivier]

I think everyone has a different idea of functioning. If you can't even open an app, I'd rather it shut off. At least then it would be obvious the problem isn't just an iOS update. That the device has a hardware problem. Unfortunately in thinking it's iOS, most users just assume their phone is old and buy a new one.

How does this not benefit Apple?

They get to turn away people from battery replacements if it passes their test. That ultimately makes the person sit between a rock and hard place. So they'll usually end up buying another iPhone.

Apple benefits again.

See the trend?

Greediness?! Apple soon could be an illustration in thesaurus for it... yet they still make great thing, to be fair. Sometimes.

 

[Count Blah]

In such case, Apple like every other manufacturer on our planet should have a pop up warning that your battery has degraded too much, so to prevent certain things blah blah blah, we have to throttle back the CPU performance. They don’t do it because when you have a crappy battery and slow phone you are very likely to replace it soon and no, not the battery, the whole phone. wouldn’t be such a good business for them as for the two years old phones most of the people would replace the battery with a third party to save.

Which is the #1 reason they didn’t do that.

Loss of new phone money, loss of battery upgrade money to third parties, loss of reputation as people with 1 year and 1day old(you know they will NOT show this message in the 1st year) phones will begin seeing this message.

 

[Compote]

I noticed that my iPad was also crippled when under 30%. No excuse there, because the battery is still good AND it's so big you wouldn't need to charge it so often anyway.

If real, then this is not funtionnality over performance, but PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE.

 

[I7guy]

I think everyone has a different idea of functioning. If you can't even open an app, I'd rather it shut off. At least then it would be obvious the problem isn't just an iOS update. That the device has a hardware problem. Unfortunately in thinking it's iOS, most users just assume their phone is old and buy a new one.

How does this not benefit Apple?

They get to turn away people from battery replacements if it passes their test. That ultimately makes the person sit between a rock and hard place. So they'll usually end up buying another iPhone.

Apple benefits again.

See the trend?

The last reason I buy a phone is because “it’s slow”. A new phone to me has to have a draw; obviously beside the ability to make a phone call and/or check Facebook.

 

[forerunnerg34]

Well, the term “deliberately” here insinuates foul play or malice of some sort. Apple slows down your phone to avoid voltage issues associated with a degraded battery, not to screw the user over and force them to upgrade.

Apple could tell the truth when:
1. Releasing iOS11, of course they knew people would complain their iPhones were slow after the upgrade, they know how many devices are sold, and which models. They decide to remain silence.
2. The first time people start complaining about performance, we were fool to think it was because iOS11 was new and Apple would eventually fix the performance issue because how "that is how new software works". Apple remained in silence.


It is foul play and malice not to let you know, these are the reasons:

1. Only after reports appeared with evidence that Apple "deliberately" slowed iPhones because battery issues they came public. Not telling the complete truth is another way of lying.
2. Downgrading to restore the iPhone performance was not possible because they stop signing previous version of iOS.
3. Consumers like me made uninformed decisions.

For consumers like me, we were forced to get a new device because the previous one became almost unusable just after the iOS "update", with no option to restore to the previous version, no reason to believe that replacing the battery would fix the problem, consumer would make the decision to buy a new device, that is what I did. I make the wrong decision of buying a new device when the previous one would have been fine by just replacing the battery, however I'm happy that I did not bought another iPhone, specially now after one of their business practices became public.

Apple not only software with no quality, but is also a company that can intentionally create a convenient problem (in terms of money) to cover for another.

 

[mi7chy]

It's a cover up for using low quality batteries to increase profit margin. Pretty much all non-Apple laptops, Android devices, etc. have user toggle-able low power mode.

Consumer groups also need to investigate if Apple did the same throttling with iPhone X's battery issue with cold weather outdoor sudden screen non-response. Suspect it's a combination of using inadequate and low quality battery that performs poorly in cold weather combined with increased screen brightness when stepping outdoor in sunlight.

 

[Septembersrain]

The last reason I buy a phone is because “it’s slow”. A new phone to me has to have a draw; obviously beside the ability to make a phone call and/or check Facebook.

That doesn't mean you speak for everyone. It's obvious if you go through the threads on here that a lot of people complained about lag in one way or another. That or it isn't functioning properly. I doubt many, if any at all, thought a battery replacement was the simple fix they needed.

 

[Armyguyenglish]

I would say this article now qualifies as "fake news"...

Apple has admitted to purposefully slowing CPU's...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/20/16800058/apple-iphone-slow-fix-battery-life-capacity

Apple states "Last year, we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We've now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future."

The phrase "smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed" is a blatant lie. iPhone 6 CPU's are slowed from 1400MHz to 600MHz with iOS 10.2.1 when the device has an aged battery.

Then Apple calls it a "feature". But then again, they call animoji a feature...

 

[strixton]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42438745

Apple has confirmed the suspicions of many iPhone owners by revealing it does deliberately slow down some models of the iPhone as they age.

 

[I7guy]

That doesn't mean you speak for everyone. It's obvious if you go through the threads on here that a lot of people complained about lag in one way or another. That or it isn't functioning properly. I doubt many, if any at all, thought a battery replacement was the simple fix they needed.

I was very specific I said “I”. But you can’t make a case and can’t prove every upgrade in the last year was due to power management which is what you are attempting.

 

[KingslayerG5]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42438745

Apple has confirmed the suspicions of many iPhone owners by revealing it does deliberately slow down some models of the iPhone as they age.

Dishonesty.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-battery-throttling-gives-customers-reason-to-distrust-2017-12

Apple's secrecy, a badge of honor when it comes to unveiling new products, is certain to encourage distrust in this situation. Apple comes across as an organization that was intentionally hiding something - something it acknowledged only when it was caught red-handed.

If Apple didn't acknowledge that it was throttling older phones until one year after it started doing so, what else is the company not telling customers? Why should iPhone users believe the company's explanation for why it's throttling phones? And why should they believe that it only started doing that a year ago?

Such questions might sound like the ravings of conspiracy theorists. But in this case, the conspiracy mongers were proved right: Apple was slowing down their phones. And there are rational reasons to think the company may not be offering a full explanation for why.

The iPhone maker has a big reason to push customers to upgrade

The fact is that Apple has an incentive to push users to upgrade; it makes money selling new devices, after all. And the company has a history of artificially making older devices look inferior to new ones. The iPhone 4, for example was perfectly capable of running Siri, but Apple reserved that feature for the model that replaced it, the iPhone 4s. Likewise, the camera in the iPhone 3G was capable of shooting video, but Apple didn't turn that feature on and instead made video recording the signature capability of its next device, the iPhone 3GS.

Planned obsolescence is a long-standing practice in the tech and broader manufacturing industries.

If my iPhone slows down in another 18 months, I will gladly leave their prison. So Apple kept a secret and Disney is ruining Star Wars. Both companies are taking a beating this week by their rabid fans.

 

[sbailey4]

I think everyone has a different idea of functioning. If you can't even open an app, I'd rather it shut off. At least then it would be obvious the problem isn't just an iOS update. That the device has a hardware problem. Unfortunately in thinking it's iOS, most users just assume their phone is old and buy a new one.

How does this not benefit Apple?

They get to turn away people from battery replacements if it passes their test. That ultimately makes the person sit between a rock and hard place. So they'll usually end up buying another iPhone.

Apple benefits again.

See the trend?

Not recalled anyone saying that 'cant even open an app' when it throttles down. Also you don't have to have Apple replace the battery free. You CAN pay the $79 and have them replace it if you so choose verses purchasing a new phone with a 100% instead of an 80% capacity battery.

Apple could tell the truth when:
1. Releasing iOS11, of course they knew people would complain their iPhones were slow after the upgrade, they know how many devices are sold, and which models. They decide to remain silence.
2. The first time people start complaining about performance, we were fool to think it was because iOS11 was new and Apple would eventually fix the performance issue because how "that is how new software works". Apple remained in silence.


It is foul play and malice not to let you know, these are the reasons:

1. Only after reports appeared with evidence that Apple "deliberately" slowed iPhones because battery issues they came public. Not telling the complete truth is another way of lying.
2. Downgrading to restore the iPhone performance was not possible because they stop signing previous version of iOS.
3. Consumers like me made uninformed decisions.

For consumers like me, we were forced to get a new device because the previous one became almost unusable just after the iOS "update", with no option to restore to the previous version, no reason to believe that replacing the battery would fix the problem, consumer would make the decision to buy a new device, that is what I did. I make the wrong decision of buying a new device when the previous one would have been fine by just replacing the battery, however I'm happy that I did not bought another iPhone, specially now after one of their business practices became public.

Apple not only software with no quality, but is also a company that can intentionally create a convenient problem (in terms of money) to cover for another.

Unfortunately you are missing the point that iOS 10.2.1 was the update where this started with the older phones not iOS 11. And iOS 11.2 for the iPhone 7/7+ is when it was implemented.

 

[I7guy]

If my iPhone slows down in another 18 months, I will gladly leave their prison. So Apple kept a secret and Disney is ruining Star Wars. Both companies are taking a beating this week by their rabid fans.

Rabid fans are of a movie are quite different than rabid fans of a tech company. There are allegedly 90 million apple customers according to the internet. How many do you believe feel this way and will jump ship? 10, 20, 90%? Probably a handful and the remainder benefit by having a phone that operates more smoothly.

If you dislike apple, I've said it before, vote with your dollars and send a message. Sad to say, apple won't miss you leaving their prison.

 

[lazard]

Well, the term “deliberately” here insinuates foul play or malice of some sort. Apple slows down your phone to avoid voltage issues associated with a degraded battery, not to screw the user over and force them to upgrade.

avoid voltage issues and nudges customers to upgrade their phone...2 birds with 1 stone.