Apple doesn't make new products, Apple only makes past product's but better

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by tinny the cat, Nov 13, 2009.

  1. tinny the cat macrumors member

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    Mac: PC's exist but Apples are better
    Iphone: Mobile Phones existed but apple made them better
    iPod: Mp3 players existed but Apple made them better and popular
    mighty mouse: existed but apple made it better
    keyboard: better
    Airport: better
    Touch screens: almost perfected it

    ...... etc
     
  2. Zyniker macrumors 6502

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    This is largely a matter of where you draw the line between "upgraded/improved" and "new"...
     
  3. belvdr macrumors 603

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    I'm not sure how they made the keyboard better.

    At any rate, each one of those points is subjective. I think OS X is what makes Apple a great desktop solution, but for a server, it most likely is not the best choice. For the hardware, I'm not seeing any real benefit of their hardware versus similar hardware from other vendors. I rarely have a hardware problem on either platform. Sometimes, I feel Apple may have lessened the hardware strength in order to provide an appealing product (case in point, the Air hinges).

    iPhone? It's okay, but I personally like my Storm2 better.

    See where I'm going? It's all about preferences.
     
  4. kroeks macrumors regular

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    Well It's a statement.
    In My eyes most of them are new projects.
    In some eyes it's just better remakes.

    Its the same as:
    Well they invited airplanes but birds already existed so its a remake but better
     
  5. vincebio macrumors 6502a

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    all your personal opinion....heres mine

    iPhone - if they made the actual phone part of the iPhone better, then it would be better....but as a phone its crap.
    iPod - Definitely agree
    Mighty Mouse : I use it but im not sure its actually as good as i want it to be..im on my 4th one, due to the crap getting stuck on the ball (yes ive turned it upside down etc etc)

    Keyboard : The keys on my full size aluminium keyboard are great, but for some reason the ones on my bluetooth aluminium are crap...and its meant to be the same?

    Airport : Totally agree.

    Touch Screens : They are getting there

    Its the little things that Apple invent...like Firewire, Mini Displayport etc...that become standard.
     
  6. MacBoobsPro macrumors 603

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    ...and then they take them away.
     
  7. mscriv macrumors 601

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    Cool, this looks like a fun game, let me try a few. :D

    Mechanical Pencil: Duh, pencil's already existed (now where's that sharpener)
    Email: C'mon, ever heard of the Pony Express, no electricity required
    Pain Killers: Old news, alcohol's been around like forever!
    Calculator: Hello!, abacus
    Firearms: Just barely go farther and faster then my trusty slingshot
    John Deere: Good ole Betsy and my plough save me a lot on gas
    Shoes: Callouses on the feet work just fine, but I have to admit shoes are a slight upgrade

    Give me some time and I'll come up with some more. :p
     
  8. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    What difference does it make? Making a successful contribution to the marketplace and achieving success for yourself is not restricted to those who come up with never-before-created inventions. In fact, most success stories in history involve those who didn't invent the mousetrap, but built a better one, or found a better way to market it. There's no special value in creating something new; nor is there a diminished value in simply improving something that already exists.

    (Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV) "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."
     
  9. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

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    There's a certain limited utility and desire if you already own a Mac.
     
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  12. MTI macrumors 65816

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    Mac: PC's exist but Apples are better

    Clearly the subject of much debate; they were however the first to build both the OS and hardware, rather than an ala carte solution. IBM's PC-DOS & IBM PC did follow suit for awhile, before the clones entered the market.

    iPod: Mp3 players existed but Apple made them better and popular

    The big innovation wasn't the iPod so much as it was iTunes. Again, it was the integration of hardware and software that was revolutionary.

    Iphone: Mobile Phones existed but apple made them better

    Again, it's really the success of the iPod and iTunes that is carrying the day for the iPhone.

    mighty mouse: existed but apple made it better

    Xerox was the first to bring it to market and the story is legend how Apple borrowed the concept from PARC. Is anyone going to defend Apple's ergonomic catastrophes, like the puck mouse?

    keyboard: better

    Debatable. I miss the "clicky keyboards" of the PC past, like the original IBM AT keyboard

    Airport: better

    Really? Considering their price point, do they offer much more utility than other brands?

    Touch screens: almost perfected it

    Since the iPod Touch and iPhone are the only products, and nearly the same screen . . . who's the competition? There are certainly screens with higher resolution.
     
  13. MisterMe macrumors G4

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    The first pre-built personal computer was the Apple ][.
     
  14. MTI macrumors 65816

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    You may want to "rethink" that statement?

    [​IMG]
     
  15. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    They were both made in 1977.
     
  16. SactoGuy18 macrumors 68020

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    The original iPod WAS a major innovation because for its time, it had an excellent interface and you could store up to 5 GB of music, which was a gigantic leap forward in terms of mass storage on a portable music player.

    That leap forward in storage capacity is why most audio podcasts are encoded in 64 kbps data rate MP3 format.
     
  17. MisterMe macrumors G4

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    The IBM PC should not be in this conversation. IBM entered the personal computer market in 1981, four years after Apple.

    The iPod was revolutionary on its own. It is the only MP3 player to be sold by two of Apple's competitors. Dell sold the iPod for a while. Later, HP sold it under a unique double-labeling agreement. Make no mistake, the iPod was huge long before anyone ever heard of iTunes or the iTunes Music Store.

    The thing that makes the iPhone so great is the iPhone. iTunes makes it even better, but millions of iPhone users use their phone everyday without ever thinking about iTunes.

    It is just legend perpetrated by Apple-bashers that the company "borrowed" the Mac GUI from Xerox PARC. The stories are false on several levels. If you want to learn the truth, then you can easily find it. I would love for you to show this forum's members all of Xerox's mouse-driven products on the market in 1983 when the Apple Lisa (aka Macintosh XL) went on sale. As for the mouse, Apple's revolution in the mouse-based interface was the single-button mouse.

    I am at a loss to even see the point that you are trying to make here. Name the products that allowed the user to type full-language email on a flat panel screen before Apple released the iPhone.
     
  18. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    The first complete personal computer was the Commodore PET, introduced in January 1977. It was soon followed by the popular Apple II. (about 3 months later, when the Apple debuted at the first West Coast Computer Faire in April of that year)
     
  19. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    True, however Commodore (base price ~$700) didn't start delivery until October, a few months after Apple (base price ~$1300) in June.

    Meantime, in August, Tandy introduced the TRS-80 ($600), which stomped all over everyone by selling 10,000 units in the first month.

    (By comparison, it took until 1979 for Apple to sell 35,000 II's in one year.)

    It is not legend that Xerox sued Apple over it later on.

    Xerox Star. From which Apple got the idea for an icon-driven desktop.
     
  20. jaw04005 macrumors 601

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    Which was released in 1981 and cost some $75,000. However, Jobs and Apple’s engineers had already seen the GUI before that around 1979 or so.
     
  21. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    If you think that's legend, you're not very well-read on history. The GUI was introduced at Xerox PARC in the Alto personal computer in 1973, while the Apple Lisa didn't even begin development until 5 years later. Both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates visited Xerox PARC in the early days, and both came away with ideas that greatly influenced their companies. To deny this is to stick your head in the sand and say, "My mind's made up! Don't confuse me with the facts!"
     
  22. MTI macrumors 65816

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    They didn't debut on the same day in 1997, now did they. :p
     
  23. MTI macrumors 65816

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    As already pointed out, there were personal computers, both in kit and assembled form, before the Apple][

    Actually, you are correct about the Store, which debuted after iPod, but iTunes was part of the original iPod box. I believe if you track sales growth, when Apple released iTunes for Windows in Oct 2003, they did start to make a whole lot of moolah.

    Please, even the best iPhone fan acknowledges that, as a phone, it's "okay" and certainly no credit to the US carrier AT&T.

    The story of PARC is for all to see. BTW, did you also know that Xerox sold a line of dedicated WP machines, but instead of using the mouse they developed. . . it had a touchpad built onto the keyboard! Talk about advanced.

    Ever heard of Palm or Handspring? Well, have you?
     
  24. belvdr macrumors 603

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    Neither debuted in 1997. ;)
     
  25. MTI macrumors 65816

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    ;) True dat. By 1997, even the "before its time" Amiga was toast.
     

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