No, MS gets criticism... Google sometimes gets criticism... Apple just gets whiners.
The whiners are just Android users...
(Don't bite my head off guys, I'm not too serious...)
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Apple Dominates New EPEAT Tablet Registry After Nearly Withdrawing From Environmental List in 2012
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The whiners are just Android users...
(Don't bite my head off guys, I'm not too serious...)
think about it from this aspect
imagine how much mining it takes to add a 1/10 of inch of depth to an ipad to make it user serviceable across 200 million ipads. the chemicals not used to get the metal, the energy not spent recycling more metal if they go that route
each item is not much by itself by every item that is inside a computer has weight to it. the fuel spent transporting the products from the raw materials to the replacement parts has a cost.
what about the space needed for storage and transport. if you need 5% more space you have all the cost to have more warehouse space and you need more trucks. or you need more deliveries more frequently.
user serviceable can be more green, but it likely isn't
imagine how much mining it takes to add a 1/10 of inch of depth to an ipad to make it user serviceable across 200 million ipads. the chemicals not used to get the metal, the energy not spent recycling more metal if they go that route
each item is not much by itself by every item that is inside a computer has weight to it. the fuel spent transporting the products from the raw materials to the replacement parts has a cost.
what about the space needed for storage and transport. if you need 5% more space you have all the cost to have more warehouse space and you need more trucks. or you need more deliveries more frequently.
user serviceable can be more green, but it likely isn't
No it isn't, you used to be able to replace the HDD and RAM (as I have in my early 2011 MBP). Now they are soldered on the board (oh, you can buy the one low 13" model which is basically the 2011 model still.... whoop!).
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What exactly do you think an iPad 1 is worth, $20? Support was stopped for it just 24 months after purchase...... stuck on iOS 5 for no real reason whatsoever.
The new Mac Pro seems harder to modify than the older ones just because it's so compact, but I don't know to what extent. The GPUs aren't upgradable, for one. My big cheese grater is super easy to upgrade or repair.
The iMac, a desktop computer, is very hard to service yourself. When an iMac gets old and has something on it fail, the cost of having it professionally repaired will be higher than the cost of buying a new one, so it'll be totaled, so it'll be more likely to be trashed.
The iMac G5 used to open by taking out 5 non-removable screws, and you did that by removing the back of it, not by taking off the front LCD. It was actually easier to service than a Dell.
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He said Mac Pro, not MacBook Pro. I also hate the stupid soldered on RAM on MBPs. I understand the other things on it, but soldered on RAM on a laptop is inexcusable.
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To be fair it would be pretty difficult to make a tablet upgradeable and modular. Anything with an integrated screen is going to be tough to upgrade, period.
That said they could definitely include an SD slot.
Really though, what else would you want to be upgradeable? RAM? Storage? CPU? With the exception of storage, I really can't see there being any market for this.
Also, are we related?
There WAS this vaporware I saw a YouTube video for: https://phonebloks.com/en
Well, now they're "spreading awareness". Before, they said they were actually going to make it. Google has their own project too: http://www.projectara.com/prize/
I think we can agree that this is a bad idea. I'm a fan of keeping my phone forever, but sorry, I'm not upgrading the CPU and RAM in my phone like it's some 1337 g4m!ng r!g
. The components sold separately would probably cost more than the phone, and either incompatibilities would exist, or you'd be stuck with outdated hardware.
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You think competing tablets are supported much longer than that? Aside from that, Target was offering $200 for an iPad 1. Somehow people keep complaining about Apple products being obsolete when Apple devices hold more resale value and is supported much longer.
Well, when you can change the rules... lol...
Hey Apple, stop glueing by battery and soldering my chips, and then we can be cool. Thanks
http://www.dell.com
http://www.lenovo.com
Amazing thing is, I've never needed to pull the battery or chips out of any of my Macs.
Apple left because they would've been rated badly, and both the US government and many corporations require certain EPEAT certification on computers they buy.
They came back when EPEAT agreed to change their rules.
It just points out what can happen when organizations are supported by the corporations they rate.
Umm, you can upgrade the HDD on the new MBP. RAM being soldered is a byproduct of the thin form factor. If you want upgradeable RAM you should be buying Dell or HP.
I understand the reaction but you need a more wider view than that.
Most if not all Apple products have much longer lives and retain their value longer than comparable products from other producers. Even the non-upgradable iPhones and iPads. I have sold every single apple product I had at a very good price. Even my 1st generation iPad was sold two months ago for 160 Dollars. Try doing that with any other comparable product from a competitor. It's those that need to invest in bringing more value into their products.
In addition Apple is currently having issues with existing customers not upgrading because their 2 generation old products are still working fine. Again try doing that with a competing product.
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I sold mine two months ago for something close to 160 Dollars.
Yeah, I've only had to take the battery out, and that was to get to the trackpad, but I would still like to have the option of replacing the battery if I need/want a new one, and I want to be able to do something as simple as, upgrade my RAM... There seems to be no reason to me to be so authoritarian about this, but somehow they justify it...
Upgradable is tough, without compromising on the form factor for phones/tablet/laptops. Sure, I would love to be able to upgrade the RAM/HD in my Macbook Pro, but other than those two components, what other manufacturer offers upgradable laptops? That's pretty par for the course.
On the repairable point, aren't their products already repairable? Not easily by the lay consumer, perhaps, but they absolutely are. I replaced the back of my iPhone 4 twice (and the battery seemed easy to get at, also) and replaced the screen of an iPhone 5S that a friend shattered. A month or two ago, I brought my iPhone 5 into an Apple Store and they replaced the battery for me.
To another poster's point - in some ways, I find Apple products to be one of the most environmentally friendly options, because they have a long service life. I see tons of Android phones or tablets that are worthless after a two or three years. On the other hand, an iPhone 3G or 3GS will still sell for money on eBay. There is a built in incentive to never throw away or waste an Apple product - they hold their value for a very long time. I may only hold an iPhone for 2 years, but they easily can see 6-8 years of service or more, traded from user to user as they decline in value. After that time period, there is still parts value, or they can be recycled.
I could say exactly the same things for laptops, Mac Minis and other products, also. Larger desktops, while occasionally more upgradable, do have the disadvantage of high shipping costs, with limits the potential market for reuse.
It's called form factor. How would you engineer such a small form factor laptop with DIMMs?
As an aside, soldering the RAM also makes the machine more reliable and stable. If there was one thing I would criticize them on it's the price of upgrading RAM at purchase.
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No, you can't, unless of course you want to void that warranty and possibly break your $2000+ laptop.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/07/26/ipad-deals-rumors/
If I wanted a Windows PC, I wouldn't be here.
You can't even upgrade the HDD/SSD in the iMac without surgical skills and the same risks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W78h2F-Mx0&t=33m10s
In essence based on this response, do we as consumers disregard the placement of Apple products as well as the environmental value that EPEAT is supposed convey?
Contrary to your belief, repairable and upgradable products are not environmental friendly, and neither is Apple disposable, but rather recyclable.
The initial post/comment were about Apple products in general, not restricted to tablets.
Yes, but what if I want to keep it going myself?
My iPod classic's battery was no longer holding a charge. A $15 battery and 15 minutes of time made it like new. My iPod Touch's battery life is ending. It's soldered and not a project I'm looking forward to.
The old MacBook I gave my daughter was revived with a new battery. All it took to change it was a coin. Now, what will happen to the MacBooks with a soldered on/glued in battery in a few years?
So do I. But that's partially because the older equipment could be maintained more easily.
You haven't seen all the trees I planted to offset my existence ;-)
You must be my younger brother ;-) Battery is my main issues with phones/tablets. The "upgradeable" comment was aimed at Macs.To be fair it would be pretty difficult to make a tablet upgradeable and modular. Anything with an integrated screen is going to be tough to upgrade, period.
That said they could definitely include an SD slot.
Really though, what else would you want to be upgradeable? RAM? Storage? CPU? With the exception of storage, I really can't see there being any market for this.
Also, are we related?
Being better than most doesn't mean there's no room for improvement.
Replaceable RAM/HD on every Mac and replaceable battery on every device. Is that too much to ask for?
Good question.
Certainly such groups can have positive effects, which is why I was careful in my response to avoid totally negating what they do.
However, as far as ratings go, it's perhaps harder to know their meaning, when the rules have been carefully redefined to match what member companies are making, versus what previously seemed desirable.
I stand corrected on that last point. But even recycling is not as environmentally friendly as many think. It should be the last step in a product's life cycle: Reduce Reuse Repair Recycle.
However, is it more environmentally friendly to replace a device's battery or to recycle the device and buy a new one?
Yes, I understand there is a balance. Having RAM on a daughter card with a connector uses more material/labor than soldering it directly to the motherboard. So parts that are very unlikely to ever be upgraded can be permanently attached. But parts with a limited lifespan should not.
...The same way they engineer anything else.. Hire an engineer and do it. They already use proprietary stuff anyways, don't tell me they can't make upgradeable RAM work. It's not terribly complicated. And the battery is still glued in. And yes, $200 for an 8 GB RAM upgrade is outrageous.