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Apple Draws Visitors with iTunes
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we definately love the sharing network in my dorm. we're considering putting up signs to get more people to do it.
Can't easily share purchased music
I have to say that the restriction on playing purchased music is a problem for me and doesn't make sense.
Steve has said that shring music can be done with music you own, and when you buy an online track, you "own" it, so I think you ought to be able to share it.
Also, It often happens that the stuff I really love is stuff I buy, and I often want to share that. It's a hassle and if I were in an environment (like a dorm) where I could share with many users most of the time, I think this would be a disincentive to buy music from iTMS.
Any thoughts?
I have to say that the restriction on playing purchased music is a problem for me and doesn't make sense.
Steve has said that shring music can be done with music you own, and when you buy an online track, you "own" it, so I think you ought to be able to share it.
Also, It often happens that the stuff I really love is stuff I buy, and I often want to share that. It's a hassle and if I were in an environment (like a dorm) where I could share with many users most of the time, I think this would be a disincentive to buy music from iTMS.
Any thoughts?
Now that's an idea-- "Help build Hamilton's music community -- for free -- by legally sharing and listening to shared music!"
Re: Can't easily share purchased music
I can't comment on the latter, but as to the former. "Burn" the song to a CD disc image and then import it back as AAC or MP3 (the tags should come in fine, though you'll lose the album covers). Then simply share this instead of your purchased music (you can use the checkboxes or share certain playlists to limit how sharing is done which is a good idea in general).
Yes, you do suffer some transcoding quality loss but this seems reasonable to me. I don't think your friends listening to your streams will care much about the loss.
Take care,
terry
I can't comment on the latter, but as to the former. "Burn" the song to a CD disc image and then import it back as AAC or MP3 (the tags should come in fine, though you'll lose the album covers). Then simply share this instead of your purchased music (you can use the checkboxes or share certain playlists to limit how sharing is done which is a good idea in general).
Yes, you do suffer some transcoding quality loss but this seems reasonable to me. I don't think your friends listening to your streams will care much about the loss.
Take care,
terry
When you're just a lowly freshmen with a computer science degree waiting 5 years at the end of the road, its gonna feel like forever.
And heck yeah, I'll still be using iTunes...I have been since it ever came out 😛
Well freaking said! Shut up already, I was pissed enough about 4.01 dropping sharing over the net.
Re: Can't easily share purchased music
I guess you could see it that way. It certainly doesn't make it as seemless as we'd all like. But you can't really fault Steve on this one, it's still the RIAA and the demands of the labels to limit how much we can share. You can always point them to iTMS to listen to the 30-second preview...
I guess you could see it that way. It certainly doesn't make it as seemless as we'd all like. But you can't really fault Steve on this one, it's still the RIAA and the demands of the labels to limit how much we can share. You can always point them to iTMS to listen to the 30-second preview...
Oh I still have 4.0 so I don't even have to hack anything. It was designed to stream over the net. Is there software for 4.1.1. for the record, I have a Mac at work that I stream music from home.
Re: Can't easily share purchased music
The reason why they won't allow this is because it would be too easy to capture the unencrypted digital version of the file off of the network and bypass the DRM restrictions, effectively unlocking your purchased music into normal AAC files. There is just no easy way to stream it to another computer in the encrypted format, without giving them the keys to decrypt the music first.
iTunes Music Store loophole for overseas folks!
Got the news from friends in the UK and Japan. Anyone can buy music with this loopholes.
Folks overseas all you need to do is get someone in US to buy you USD certificate and have them send it to you. Friends in the UK are doing this currently. They send my buddy money in USD via Paypal and he makes out cert. to them for that amount to their email.
Also easier way is to get a US credit card which is what friends of mine in Japan are doing.
Hope this help you guys and gals out overseas and Canada.
Got the news from friends in the UK and Japan. Anyone can buy music with this loopholes.
Folks overseas all you need to do is get someone in US to buy you USD certificate and have them send it to you. Friends in the UK are doing this currently. They send my buddy money in USD via Paypal and he makes out cert. to them for that amount to their email.
Also easier way is to get a US credit card which is what friends of mine in Japan are doing.
Hope this help you guys and gals out overseas and Canada.
Good Articles
Both articles are quite good. Well written, and they show the great uses students are putting to iTunes. I particularly liked the mention of using shared playlists as a way to find out about new genres and artists, and to find out what friends are listening to - a perfect use of the campus network!
Makes me wish I were back on campus. Kids these days; I wish we had then what they do now!
Both articles are quite good. Well written, and they show the great uses students are putting to iTunes. I particularly liked the mention of using shared playlists as a way to find out about new genres and artists, and to find out what friends are listening to - a perfect use of the campus network!
Makes me wish I were back on campus. Kids these days; I wish we had then what they do now!
Put up those signs!
Go for it! Creating the signs will also hone your page layout skills, which could come in handy some day when looking for work.
Go for it! Creating the signs will also hone your page layout skills, which could come in handy some day when looking for work.
Here at UNM the network is too slow to stream music via iTunes 🙁 It's a shame 'cause there's about 20 libraries shared now, but it wants to stop and rebuffer the stream every 15 seconds or so, so it's basically useless.
It's because they "reserve" most of the bandwidth for loading web pages, so streaming audio and video only works at low bit rates...
It's because they "reserve" most of the bandwidth for loading web pages, so streaming audio and video only works at low bit rates...
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Seems like iTunes needs to develop a streaming format that does ad hoc encryption and copy protection that prevents you from recording a stream 🙂
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don't count your chickens...
I haven't checked my copy of the US Copyright Code yet, but I am inclined to think that it is illegal to use the iTunes Rendezvous sharing in the way described by this posting. First of all, it's a transmission of a digital sound recording, which implicates a lot of screwy (and strict) copyright rules that analog sound recordings aren't subject to. Second, by chatting about what they're doing, they're letting Stanford know what they're doing with Stanford's computer network. This implicates Stanford for contributory copyright infringement. It seems unlikely, though it is a bit of a worry, that Apple will be held responsible for this, since the main purpose of this kind of sharing is the (likely) non-infringing use of an individual for non-commercial purposes. But certainily anyone sharing in this manner or anyone operating a network that is being shared over in this manner, i.e. by opening up their cd collection for any random person to listen to thruogh rendezvous, should assume that it is NOT LEGAL...
I haven't checked my copy of the US Copyright Code yet, but I am inclined to think that it is illegal to use the iTunes Rendezvous sharing in the way described by this posting. First of all, it's a transmission of a digital sound recording, which implicates a lot of screwy (and strict) copyright rules that analog sound recordings aren't subject to. Second, by chatting about what they're doing, they're letting Stanford know what they're doing with Stanford's computer network. This implicates Stanford for contributory copyright infringement. It seems unlikely, though it is a bit of a worry, that Apple will be held responsible for this, since the main purpose of this kind of sharing is the (likely) non-infringing use of an individual for non-commercial purposes. But certainily anyone sharing in this manner or anyone operating a network that is being shared over in this manner, i.e. by opening up their cd collection for any random person to listen to thruogh rendezvous, should assume that it is NOT LEGAL...
Re: Re: less purchases?
i totally agree...i saw a band called ima robot open for the white stripes about a month ago. I didnt like them. Last night, i downloaded one song illegally to listen to, (becaause the damn labels set it on ITMS to be by album only!!!) anyways, i loved the song, and am importing a store bought legal copy to itunes right now!
i totally agree...i saw a band called ima robot open for the white stripes about a month ago. I didnt like them. Last night, i downloaded one song illegally to listen to, (becaause the damn labels set it on ITMS to be by album only!!!) anyways, i loved the song, and am importing a store bought legal copy to itunes right now!
Underlying Plan
As someone who wants itunes for windows to grow, I really don't care that Colleges and Universities are sharing their music over their dorm LANs. In fact Its a great thing! Apple wanted to get their product into the windows world, and post secondary institutions hold a large chunk of the market share of windows machines.
The more people with itunes, means more people using a quality Apple program which is a big step to giving Apple a good rep in the wintel world. Also, they will Rip more ACC rather than wma, and it helps ACC become the standard. This leads to ipod sales, and this leads to Mac sales.
Who cares if college students aren't using itunes for buying music. They are the future and will be buying a new system when they get their jobs after school. And last time I checked, the ITMS wasn't exactly declining in sales.
P RUSH
As someone who wants itunes for windows to grow, I really don't care that Colleges and Universities are sharing their music over their dorm LANs. In fact Its a great thing! Apple wanted to get their product into the windows world, and post secondary institutions hold a large chunk of the market share of windows machines.
The more people with itunes, means more people using a quality Apple program which is a big step to giving Apple a good rep in the wintel world. Also, they will Rip more ACC rather than wma, and it helps ACC become the standard. This leads to ipod sales, and this leads to Mac sales.
Who cares if college students aren't using itunes for buying music. They are the future and will be buying a new system when they get their jobs after school. And last time I checked, the ITMS wasn't exactly declining in sales.
P RUSH
one problem i have noticed is that due to the way some campus networks are set up, rendezvous only works very locally, like around a few buildings. However, having over 20 shared musics is better than the 4 we had before iTunes for windows. It would be nice if all the thousands of computers were linked though.....
Also, a trend that is already prevalent on college networks is the bypassing of P2P networks and putting AIM screen names in the sharing tab. Thus people use AIM to trade music files at outrageous speeds just like "The good old days" of napster.
Also, a trend that is already prevalent on college networks is the bypassing of P2P networks and putting AIM screen names in the sharing tab. Thus people use AIM to trade music files at outrageous speeds just like "The good old days" of napster.
Re: Can't easily share purchased music
It's hard to know where to start with this question but sharing should mean ONLY letting your friends listen to your music- not having copies of it. The licence for ALL musical works says so! Thus, you have NO right to GIVE them your music. It seems (not necessarily you) that a change has come to America that is, closely allied to European thought, which is, the individual really isn't that important... it is rather, the collective "we." This means, in this case, that an artist has no real worth... that the works of that artist, once acquired can be used in whatever manner the "owner" of those works deems fit. In the extreme example, a song, once obtained by "you" coud be given to a million people with NOT ONE penny going to the artist. This is what "MY rights" is all about. Unfortunately, THAT is not the truth.
Americans, stop your non-American thinking and take note that free enterprise- and freedom to act- do NOT cause harm to others and do not use stealing as the "norm." Pay as you go!
And the argument that artists don't get paid well by the record companies, so it's OK to steal their music is an extraordinary example of self-gratification at the expense of others. People have actually used the abuse of the record companies of their artists to justify stealing their music. Talk about getting whacked twice!!
It's hard to know where to start with this question but sharing should mean ONLY letting your friends listen to your music- not having copies of it. The licence for ALL musical works says so! Thus, you have NO right to GIVE them your music. It seems (not necessarily you) that a change has come to America that is, closely allied to European thought, which is, the individual really isn't that important... it is rather, the collective "we." This means, in this case, that an artist has no real worth... that the works of that artist, once acquired can be used in whatever manner the "owner" of those works deems fit. In the extreme example, a song, once obtained by "you" coud be given to a million people with NOT ONE penny going to the artist. This is what "MY rights" is all about. Unfortunately, THAT is not the truth.
Americans, stop your non-American thinking and take note that free enterprise- and freedom to act- do NOT cause harm to others and do not use stealing as the "norm." Pay as you go!
And the argument that artists don't get paid well by the record companies, so it's OK to steal their music is an extraordinary example of self-gratification at the expense of others. People have actually used the abuse of the record companies of their artists to justify stealing their music. Talk about getting whacked twice!!
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Re: Re: Can't easily share purchased music
Look, I'm not trying to say P2P file sharing is okay but you could look at your argument two ways. The record companies are self-gratifying at the expense of consumers and the artist by overpricing CD's. Their abuse has lasted for decades. Again, I'm not saying the file sharer is right, but neither are the record companies.
edit: You talk as if self-gratification is some dirty word. Everyone in this process is looking out for themselves. The file sharers steal so they won't get ripped off, the record companies overcharge to make more money and the artist isn't trying to simply produce art, they want to turn a buck. I can't blame the artist but their quest for cash ("self-gratification") is at the expense of the consumer, being overcharged by the record company.
And before you flame me for this, note that I don't think the record companies or the file sharers are right. the only party that is morally just here is the artist, but make no mistake that this person/band is also self gratifying at the expense of consumers.
Look, I'm not trying to say P2P file sharing is okay but you could look at your argument two ways. The record companies are self-gratifying at the expense of consumers and the artist by overpricing CD's. Their abuse has lasted for decades. Again, I'm not saying the file sharer is right, but neither are the record companies.
edit: You talk as if self-gratification is some dirty word. Everyone in this process is looking out for themselves. The file sharers steal so they won't get ripped off, the record companies overcharge to make more money and the artist isn't trying to simply produce art, they want to turn a buck. I can't blame the artist but their quest for cash ("self-gratification") is at the expense of the consumer, being overcharged by the record company.
And before you flame me for this, note that I don't think the record companies or the file sharers are right. the only party that is morally just here is the artist, but make no mistake that this person/band is also self gratifying at the expense of consumers.