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Still too expensive for the Mini. Used to be £400.

Remember that you don't actually get a keyboard, mouse, or monitor with the Mini either, and the Apple ones are a massive rip-off when purchased on their own.

By the time you have a Mac Mini, a keyboard, a mouse, and a monitor, you've dropped the same amount of cash that could have got you an iMac.
 
Still too expensive for the Mini. Used to be £400.

Remember that you don't actually get a keyboard, mouse, or monitor with the Mini either, and the Apple ones are a massive rip-off when purchased on their own.

By the time you have a Mac Mini, a keyboard, a mouse, and a monitor, you've dropped the same amount of cash that could have got you an iMac.

If your going to be buying all of those accessories you should go for the iMac from the start. The mac mini is more for someone who already has a monitor etc IMO :cool:
 
If your going to be buying all of those accessories you should go for the iMac from the start. The mac mini is more for someone who already has a monitor etc IMO :cool:

That's a pretty limited market segment (people who will buy a brand new £600 computer to plug into all their old equipment), seems to me that the only people who'll do that are geeks who have that kind of stuff lying around anyway, and if that's the case, they're more likely to just build a cheap computer themselves and install OSx86 on it if they want a "Mac".

So, yeah, the Mini seems a bit silly to me. If they dropped the price back down to £400 and at least included the mouse and keyboard, though, it'd be a fairly viable option for an entry level Mac.
 
That's a pretty limited market segment (people who will buy a brand new £600 computer to plug into all their old equipment), seems to me that the only people who'll do that are geeks who have that kind of stuff lying around anyway, and if that's the case, they're more likely to just build a cheap computer themselves and install OSx86 on it if they want a "Mac".

So, yeah, the Mini seems a bit silly to me. If they dropped the price back down to £400 and at least included the mouse and keyboard, though, it'd be a fairly viable option for an entry level Mac.

I disagree about the general public installing OS X on their current machines. I bet most of them wouldn't know its possible, let alone have the technical ability to do it. The minis small size and the fact that they can just plug in their current accessories would seem to be a big plus for me
 
I disagree about the general public installing OS X on their current machines. I bet most of them wouldn't know its possible, let alone have the technical ability to do it. The minis small size and the fact that they can just plug in their current accessories would seem to be a big plus for me

I didn't say the general public would do it, I said the kind of people who have spare monitors and keyboards lying around will likely be geeks who can do such things.

The general public are unlikely to spend £600 on a computer they'll go and plug all their old equipment into IMO.
 
That's a pretty limited market segment (people who will buy a brand new £600 computer to plug into all their old equipment), seems to me that the only people who'll do that are geeks who have that kind of stuff lying around anyway, and if that's the case, they're more likely to just build a cheap computer themselves and install OSx86 on it if they want a "Mac".

So, yeah, the Mini seems a bit silly to me. If they dropped the price back down to £400 and at least included the mouse and keyboard, though, it'd be a fairly viable option for an entry level Mac.

However that is exactly how the original Mac Mini was announced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4162009.stm
2005-01-11

The machine - which will be available from 22 January - was described by Jobs as "BYODKM... bring your own display, keyboard, and mouse".

Some of the other quotes in that article are very interesting as they just don't stand up for the 2010 Mini:

Apple has unveiled a new, low-cost Macintosh computer for the masses, billed as the Mac mini.

...

"People who are thinking of switching will have no more excuses," he [note: "he" is SJ himself] said. "It's the newest and most affordable Mac ever."

...

Harris added: "Everybody thought that Apple was happy to remain a niche maker of luxury computers, and moving into a market dominated by low margin manufacturers like Dell is a bold move.

For me that Steve Jobs quote is the killer. People thinking of switching do have an excuse these days as there is no longer an "affordable" Mac. He clearly saw the Mac Mini as being a low-cost machine for the masses, something which it no longer can be described as.
 
For me that Steve Jobs quote is the killer. People thinking of switching do have an excuse these days as there is no longer an "affordable" Mac. He clearly saw the Mac Mini as being a low-cost machine for the masses, something which it no longer can be described as.

Exactly, that's what I was trying to get at.
 
I didn't say the general public would do it, I said the kind of people who have spare monitors and keyboards lying around will likely be geeks who can do such things.

The general public are unlikely to spend £600 on a computer they'll go and plug all their old equipment into IMO.

Anyone who has a tower pc would have these extras already though. I don't see why they wouldn't want to plug them into a mac. Assuming they are not bargain basement peripherals then why replace them all. It is still the most affordable mac. £600 is much improved from £650 but if they could get it to £550 it would surely be a bigger hit
 
However that is exactly how the original Mac Mini was announced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4162009.stm
2005-01-11



Some of the other quotes in that article are very interesting as they just don't stand up for the 2010 Mini:



For me that Steve Jobs quote is the killer. People thinking of switching do have an excuse these days as there is no longer an "affordable" Mac. He clearly saw the Mac Mini as being a low-cost machine for the masses, something which it no longer can be described as.

Jobs has lied consistently throughout his career. Brilliant marketeer but when he opens his mouth have your filters at the ready...

"couldn't lie straight in bed..."
 
I've taken Apple to small claims court on more than 1 occasion with faulty hardware, PM me if you want more details so as not to clog the thread.

Respect!

I've never had to go to court for faulty goods. Most managers have been understanding. Or wanted to get rid of me. :D

I would like to go to small claims once, I think it would be interesting. At the end of the day the law is there to be used, and our rights are there to be enforced.
 
Respect!

I've never had to go to court for faulty goods. Most managers have been understanding. Or wanted to get rid of me. :D

I would like to go to small claims once, I think it would be interesting. At the end of the day the law is there to be used, and our rights are there to be enforced.

ta...

with Apple it's actually really easy, because they charge so much.

e.g. I had an iMac with the dodgy screen, lines down it gradually getting worse, happened within 18 months of purchase.

Local magistrate took literally seconds to rule in my favour, once he got over the shock of the price and even 'recommended' to Apple that they compensated me for wasting everybody's time in such an open and shut case!

awesome...
 
ta...

with Apple it's actually really easy, because they charge so much.

e.g. I had an iMac with the dodgy screen, lines down it gradually getting worse, happened within 18 months of purchase.

Local magistrate took literally seconds to rule in my favour, once he got over the shock of the price and even 'recommended' to Apple that they compensated me for wasting everybody's time in such an open and shut case!

awesome...

Seconds is pretty impressive! Did anyone from Apple bother to turn up?
 
It's funny how "PC Pro" doesn't offer any comparison to other SFF PCs out there, the Dell Studio Hybrid being more expensive than a similarly configuered mini.

There just isn't a lot of competition in the market.

PC Magazines are trash, even the "most respected" ones.

At first I was doubtful about my own belief that the Mac Mini is pricey, it took a couple of minutes, but a bit of research revealed I don't think you're entirely right - this form factor isn't exactly awash with competition, but it's far from difficult to find PC's a lot cheaper in a very similar form factor.

Maybe not the same - and I've bought a Mac Mini this year (my third), let's not forget, but the premium is made to seem high.

Dell seem, as far as I can find, to have stopped the Dell Studio Hybrid. Can't find it on their website at any rate.
Shuttle make cases, but not widespread comparable model all in ones.

I configured a Pc here;

http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/systems.aspx?sysid=76#

With a 2.5 Intel 2 Quad, Xp Home, 2Gb memory, 500gb 7200 Hard drive, MTX-001B Piano Black Shiny Mini-ITX Case With 300W PSU Case and Bluetooth for £402.09 inc VAT.

Or £148 less. For much much better specs.

So I'd say, no offense, the Mac Mini looks pretty expensive even now.

Also, lots of easy to configure Shuttles here;

http://www.component-warehouse.co.uk/aopen-xc-mini-gp7a-sff-pc-black-duo-t3100-1-9ghz-gf9300-2gb-320gb-dvdrw-no-o-s.html?___store=default

And the price? £275 (+ delivery, I'd assume). No OS, etc, but you've got £275 to play with.

And that's literally 10 minutes research btw, I'm sure it's not hard to do the same.
 
All $AUS mac prices dropped

I am right... have all the $AUS mac prices been dropped... imac 27" by $200?

mac%20store.jpg
 
I bought my first Mac mini for £399. Now the UK price is 50% higher.

If I look at the Swiss situation (where I live) it's amazing to see that the Swiss Franc is worth more than the Dollar but that the $699 Mac mini costs Fr. 849. Even allowing for the horrendous 7.6% rate of VAT here, that is ridiculous (you only need Fr. 0.98 to buy one Dollar right now - not long ago you needed Fr. 1.50).
 
I am right... have all the $AUS mac prices been dropped... imac 27" by $200?

mac%20store.jpg

I don't think the Mac Pro has dropped.
$3499 in Aus, $2499 in US...with the dollar at parity and all :rolleyes:

Looks like they dropped the mini by $100 to $899, which still leaves it $200 more than the US price of $699.
 
I don't know if Canada is considered "International" but it looks like the prices didn't drop much either...

Same here, I don't know if we 're domestic or international. If we're domestic, why we pay 20% more for car and mac, is there something called exchange rate?:confused:
 
I don't think the Mac Pro has dropped.
$3499 in Aus, $2499 in US...with the dollar at parity and all :rolleyes:
I know. I'm certain the Mac Pro price hasn't dropped (I remember what it was before the Mac Mini price drop). I won't be buying with such an excessive markup. Anyway there's things missing from the Pro like USB3, 10GbE, support for 4xSSD in RAID-0 etc. that really should be in it considering the price.
Looks like they dropped the mini by $100 to $899, which still leaves it $200 more than the US price of $699.
I know. One would have thought $799 would be fairer (remember US prices don't include taxes like our GST). Anyway the Mid-2010 Mac Mini is slower than my 2.53Ghz Late 09 Mini. I would have preferred a spec bump over a redesign and worse specs. Let's hope the next Mac Mini update brings a nice spec bump.
 
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