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You would have to understand why Apple created the one button mouse in the first place so you can better understand why it is used today. I'll give you a hint though - try explaining the difference between the right and left click to a new computer user over the phone and what each click is supposed to do at a given time. After several "right or left click?" questions, you'll start to get it.

Why shouldn't I be paying more for a machine that's slower if I want that machine?

It's a different company with a different price structure with a different product. As I said, would you balk at the price of an orange at the fruit stand of your grocery store if it is cheaper than an apple?

If you value a Mac, you can choose to pay the premium. It's really that simple. There is no "should be because the PC is"

There are people bashing PCs on this forum who don't have all their facts straight. There are plenty of PC users bashing Macs who don't have their facts straight (because there are more PC users in total, this number is probably much higher). If it really bothers you, you might not want to hang around a Mac forum where we will be advocating the usage of..... guess what, Macs!
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
The arguments are OLD OLD TIRED TIRED because they're TRUE TRUE... the mouse thing was just a tease... I know you can buy whatever mice you want, which is why I think it's silly that Apple still ships out their products with the one button models... and yes I know you don't always need the fastest machine around, but you also shouldn't be paying more for a machine thats slower... your argument is basically that people who buy Macs do so because that's their taste... fine... but when every other thread on this site includes some Mac person bashing PCs so that they can feel superior, I feel the need to say something...
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as a mac user and pc tech and yes, i have one pc laptop...there are pros and cons to both sides

but there is no way apple can justify their high prices which are 10-30% percent too high

the only mac i can think of that is justified in its price range is the $999 dollar ibook...the 512k level 2 cache of the new ppc 750fx processor makes it more than enough to run os x...a very stable operating system

so while the ibook at that price only has a cd-rom, it has the ability to run the wonderful os x - jaguar, and is extremely ruggedly built

though with faster pc laptops going for only $749 using a cd-rom optical drive, i think apple could cement their argument if their $999 dollar entry laptop at least had a cd-rw/dvd combo drive in it

that, of course, is next

but all said and done, i think the $999 dollar entry level ibook is apple's best deal dollar for dollar that is in their current lineup right now

the pc companies, due to their massive scale using similar parts, have the ability to buy in gigantic volume so their can naturally get volume discounts on relatively sound hardware...sometimes the same internal compnents macs use from ibm, sony, toshiba, panasonic, intel, etc...

if you are unsure about which platform to use and you have $1500 on you...then get the ibook and a 2 ghz celeron desktop from compaq and use the rebate to help buy you a 17" viewsonic crt monitor

if you are like most users...this dual computer setup will give you the best of both worlds for a decent price

one day, a grand will be enough to get a fully functuional "gaming" laptop in pc and mac format and these stupid arguments will stop

price will continue to go down for many years to come and performance will increase dramatically...and maybe in ten years not to the extent of moore's law...but a 10 ghz and 4 gb of RAM min. will be normal for $499 laptops before this decade is up
 
I don't buy these arguments.

If I had $1500, I wouldn't just buy any old computer that I could acquire for that sum of money - i.e. the fastest and most speced out computer regardless of brand name and platform.

If I went into a car dealership and had in my mind beforehand that I really wanted an SUV, I wouldn't "settle on" a minivan because it is cheaper. If I was unsure as to what I wanted, the price difference would persuade me somewhat, but it would be one of many factors I'd have to consider.

I don't understand people who buy "any-old-computer" for $1500... I don't have that type of dough to spend on an any-old-anything!

If I had it in my mind that I wanted a loaf of bread from the store, I wouldn't buy a bag of jellybeans because they were cheaper. It's a question of perceived value, and making the customer know what he/she wants.

Apple needs to get it in people's minds that they *want* a Mac, rather than just any old computer. Of course, if they doubled their prices overnight I would still *want* a Mac, but many (including me) would not be able to afford it and would possibly (likely) be forced to settle on something else. However, I think there are Macs available within an acceptable price range. The iMac/eMac and iBooks are priced acceptably.

Apple can not and should not compete with vendors who are able to nickel and dime each other and provide "any old computer" cheaper than the next guy.

If people ended up buying Macs because they were just any old computer, they would probably be confused that some cute game they bought for Windows didn't run on their Mac and feel very bad about their purchase. There would be no distinction - Macs would just be an "any old computer".

The answer is, make people see the value in Macs. Make it difficult for them to justify settling for anything but.

This is idealistic on my part, I'm sure. It's astonishing that people will shell out serious dough for any-old-car, and likewise for computers. However, Apple should focus on people like me who carefully research how their money is spent and buy a Mac because they want a Mac.
 
What about me???

Originally posted by QCassidy352
"Maybe if BMW's were slower than all the other cars on the street"
A ford can do maybe 130 MPH, a BMW a lot faster. But who needs to go even 130? Very few people. Same thing with computers. People are always complaining about how slow macs are, but except for some professional users, who really cares? I personally don't need the speed that either a dual 1.42 Ghz PM or a 3 Ghz P4 provides. 3 Ghz, 7Ghz, 10Ghz, what do I care? I don't need it. You may have a BMW that can do 210, but how often does the average user need to use even half of it's full speed?

"were less compatible with parts"
wow, haven't heard this tired old song in a while. Exactly what can't a Mac run?

"and were pretty much ignored by all the other drivers..."
If other drivers want to drive their generic, clumsy, breakable pieces of junk while I drive a car that is a pleasure just to be in and has *never once* broken down, why would I care what the other drivers think?

and in conclusion, why would a PC user come on here just to bash macs? What's the point of hanging around a forum for users of "silly computers"?
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As an avid motorcyclist and avid SETI@home participant... I want more. Every week I ride my sport bike I get her over 150mph on the speedo, occasionally enough road to get around 160mph. And my computer is sitting at home right now cranking away at over 98% CPU usage on SETI.

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/fcgi?email=chris@punchit.net&cmd=user_stats_new

Sadly... I have not had the chance to have computers as fast (comapritively speaking wrt available market) as the bikes. :(
 
Originally posted by besson3c
This is idealistic on my part, I'm sure. It's astonishing that people will shell out serious dough for any-old-car, and likewise for computers. However, Apple should focus on people like me who carefully research how their money is spent and buy a Mac because they want a Mac.
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You can cut the "any old computer" crap cuz my 2+ year old HP has served me quite well and there's nothing you can do on a similarly aged Mac that I can't do faster and for half the price... sucker ;)
 
Originally posted by PC Clone
You can cut the "any old computer" crap cuz my 2+ year old HP has served me quite well and there's nothing you can do on a similarly aged Mac that I can't do faster and for half the price... sucker ;)
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Man, just SDRAM and a 5400rpm HD on a 2 year old computer? weak! jk :D
 
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