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...and these excuses have what to do with the fact that you have to return the entire watch?

Try again.
Not the argument that was posed. Read the context, the argument was about engineering, not returning the watch. Also, a non-issue now that Apple is allowing solo band returns.
 
It is a very stupid idea for something that is worn all day on your body and is stretchable. I can't think of one thing that I own that stretches, that has maintained form.
Using the expression "a very stupid idea" is a dead giveaway regarding the depth of analysis applied to this opinion.

Apple has invested deeply in research into material sciences, and I can't imagine they took the decision to make a stretchable watch band lightly. They surely experimented with hundreds of formulations seeking the optimal blend of durability, comfort, and appearance.

A stretchable band will work for many customers, and it may turn out to be a pinnacle of simplicity and convenience. Slip it onto and off of your wrist in an instant, with absolutely no raised edges to catch on your cuff.

I, for one, am glad Apple is offering the Solo Loop as one option among it's many band offerings, and I will be purchasing one to swap out for less formal occasions when I'm not wearing my Space Black Link Bracelet.
 
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Has any Apple Watch owners in TORONTO area had any luck returning their watches to the Apple stores in Toronto or Markham? I was thinking of just driving to one of the stores but the websites say 0 inventory of any of the braided bands I need to resize. Maybe that’s just because they don’t list them separately...?
 
Yeah, that was the first thing I thought about with these watch bands... They're going to get loose over time. Even my bands with lugs get looser over time. Doesn't help I'm not losing weight but I imagine that's actually helping me in this case (with band looseness). lol.

I still wouldn't mind one. I hate the silver pin under the Sports band when typing on a laptop - same for my Nike band. The Sports Loop is the most comfortable to type in when I do.

Oh I know exactly what you mean. My silver pin has a dark scratch across it that matches the most common direction my hand slides while typing.

I used to use the Milanese loop, but the sudden shooting pain when it snags a hair and either rips it straight out or pulls it to its limit and stops has me using the Sport and Nike bands almost exclusively now.
 
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Not the argument that was posed. Read the context, the argument was about engineering, not returning the watch. Also, a non-issue now that Apple is allowing solo band returns.

Wrong.

The point was poor engineering meant that a return of the entire watch was required.
 
I get that people hold Apple to a higher standard, but I could have told you about this. This is necessarily a product that will not work over time.
 
I don’t get what you mean here. How is this band any more disposable than Apple’s other bands?

Let me explain: I want to give my dad my old Apple Watch. My dad wrist is thicker than mine, but it's ok, because he still can adjust all the bands I will give him with my old Apple Watch and he can use some of them for another year or two. You can't do that with this type of bands. You have to give them / sell them to somebody with almost similar wrists, which is of course possible, but the chance you will throw them away is much bigger in this case.

Simple as that.
 
Folks, the solo loop is the *perfect* swim band. Many swimmers will love it, Im sure of that. Its not a catastrophe, its just an option (amidst other options, including 3rd party).
 
Let me explain: I want to give my dad my old Apple Watch. My dad wrist is thicker than mine, but it's ok, because he still can adjust all the bands I will give him with my old Apple Watch and he can use some of them for another year or two. You can't do that with this type of bands. You have to give them / sell them to somebody with almost similar wrists, which is of course possible, but the chance you will throw them away is much bigger in this case.

Simple as that.

Give the watch away without a band, or a $5 sport loop in their fave color from eBay. Keep the solo loop sized specifically for you for yourself. Simple as THAT!
 
Give the watch away without a band, or a $5 sport loop in their fave color from eBay. Keep the solo loop sized specifically for you for yourself. Simple as THAT!

Or I could buy a fake Apple Watch from eBay, couldn't I? We were talking about Apple branded loops, not some knockoffs that gives you allergic reaction.
 
How about they fix it so that if someone gets the wrong size band they can just exchange it without exchanging the whole watch?

That seems to be the biggest issue.

The whole process is crazy. My wife ordered a launch S5 last year, andher band was damaged out of the box. Apple’s response? You must return the ENTIRE WATCH then once inventory is available, we’ll ship you a replacement in a few weeks.

Whomever crafted the AW purchasing process should be fired (although I suspect she already has been...)
 
Using the expression "a very stupid idea" is a dead giveaway regarding the depth of analysis applied to this opinion.

Apple has invested deeply in research into material sciences, and I can't imagine they took the decision to make a stretchable watch band lightly. They surely experimented with hundreds of formulations seeking the optimal blend of durability, comfort, and appearance.

A stretchable band will work for many customers, and it may turn out to be a pinnacle of simplicity and convenience. Slip it onto and off of your wrist in an instant, with absolutely no raised edges to catch on your cuff.

I, for one, am glad Apple is offering the Solo Loop as one option among it's many band offerings, and I will be purchasing one to swap out for less formal occasions when I'm not wearing my Space Black Link Bracelet.
I stick to my opinion and I stress my opinion that it is a stupid idea. If they researched it so much, then why are they recalling watch bands and restructuring their measuring system? Its on the front page of this website. Its okay to not agree with people but attacking them for their opinion isn't helpful. Companies make terrible decisions and make mistakes. Its not only apple but all companies.

Some of the stuff in the house that are stretch that have changed sizes: 1. all my rubber Apple Watch bands (okay though I just use the next notch). 2. any rubber band that has been used. 3. Sweaters, beanie caps. 4. socks. 5. shoe soles, etc.

It looks cool on paper but its just weird.

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Yup
 
This is a potato idea, not only to produce but to actually consider using it as a band.

My wife got the braided loop, and she loves it. Super comfortable, and looks great. It's also a great idea for people with fine motor issues that have problems with other bands.
 
You expect a stretchable material that never gets larger over time? Do you have a suggestion for such a material? I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist
Yea and there may be a chance that it might not stretch if it fits just right or a little loose, It will definitely stretch eventually if it is snug
 
...and these excuses have what to do with the fact that you have to return the entire watch?

Try again.

No excuse. Just pointing out your blatant ignorance to what actually goes into designing a product.

Being an engineer myself, it's very tiring to hear a bunch of laymen constantly claim they could have done better, given their absolute lack of understanding of concepts. This is all engineers ever hear. I don't try to claim I could do your job better, don't do the same for me. This forum is absolutely ripe with this, especially with MacBook design. So many armchair engineers spouting sweet nothings.

You have to return the entire watch likely just due to the logistics of the scenario. You have to return an entire iMac 27" if you desire more RAM, yet you could easily remove it, send just that back and receive more. It's just logistics and bean counting.
 
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No excuse. Just pointing out your blatant ignorance to what actually goes into designing a product.

Being an engineer myself, it's very tiring to hear a bunch of laymen constantly claim they could have done better, given their absolute lack of understanding of concepts. This is all engineers ever hear. I don't try to claim I could do your job better, don't do the same for me. This forum is absolutely ripe with this, especially with MacBook design. So many armchair engineers spouting sweet nothings.

You have to return the entire watch likely just due to the logistics of the scenario. You have to return an entire iMac 27" if you desire more RAM, yet you could easily remove it, send just that back and receive more. It's just logistics and bean counting.


I am an MBA working in manufacturing. I can tell you that sending out a screw for a faulty one is far cheaper and beneficial to the company and customer, then having them return the entire item. Judging by there reversal of the process, I think they agree. I don't think I had to involve my degree in this as its pretty common sense.
 
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