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Ah, that must explain why they make Steve Wozniak camp out on every iPad/iPhone launch because they are too cheap to give the CO-FOUNDER of the company a free iDevice.

Cheap, I tell ya!!!

Sorry bro, nice try.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technol...under-steve-wozniak-lined-ipad-221400826.html

They don't make Woz do anything. He waits because he wants to, not because they don't want to give him a free iPad. He does it out of his own free will, because he wants the experience of lining up over night. He has done it for years. I mean, yes, he's great and all and probably does deserve a free iPad, but I'm sure in the eyes of many others, they appreciate that someone even as high up as Woz will get up and wait in line, just like any other ordinary citizen.

Your posts are increasingly idiotic. How do you even make the conclusion that Apple is "too cheap to give [Woz] a free iDevice"? Did Cook text you this morning saying "yeah bro, $499 is too much, even for Woz, sorry mang"? Please, don't be stupid.

Honestly, what is up with you and this feeling of entitlement? Apple doesn't owe anyone anything. Woz probably could get a free iPad if he asked for one...but he doesn't; he wants to wait in line like any other ordinary person.
But for retail employees...shaking my head. If I work for a Rolls Royce dealer, should I be entitled to 30 or 50% off a vehicle? Hot f-ck, let me go sign up right now!! I mean, a happy worker is a good worker right? I need to be able to FEEL and CONNECT EMOTIONALLY with the product so I may provide good sales and customer support!!!

No. There's a reason Apple isn't a 501c non profit organization. They are a profit-driven company. Don't understand why this concept is so hard for you to grasp.

Really, if this "meager" discount of 15% was so inhumane, why are people still working for Apple retail and corporate? With probably (note: this is unsubstantiated but based off subjective views) hundreds of people applying to work in retail or corporate per day?

It just works.
 
Or they would have a heart and not mistreat there workers oversees.

If you are that concerned about the way that Apple treat their employees then vote with your feet and don't buy any Apple products.
 
Sorry bro, nice try.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technol...under-steve-wozniak-lined-ipad-221400826.html

They don't make Woz do anything. He waits because he wants to, not because they don't want to give him a free iPad. He does it out of his own free will, because he wants the experience of lining up over night. He has done it for years. I mean, yes, he's great and all and probably does deserve a free iPad, but I'm sure in the eyes of many others, they appreciate that someone even as high up as Woz will get up and wait in line, just like any other ordinary citizen.

Your posts are increasingly idiotic. How do you even make the conclusion that Apple is "too cheap to give [Woz] a free iDevice"? Did Cook text you this morning saying "yeah bro, $499 is too much, even for Woz, sorry mang"? Please, don't be stupid.

Honestly, what is up with you and this feeling of entitlement? Apple doesn't owe anyone anything. Woz probably could get a free iPad if he asked for one...but he doesn't; he wants to wait in line like any other ordinary person.
But for retail employees...shaking my head. If I work for a Rolls Royce dealer, should I be entitled to 30 or 50% off a vehicle? Hot f-ck, let me go sign up right now!! I mean, a happy worker is a good worker right? I need to be able to FEEL and CONNECT EMOTIONALLY with the product so I may provide good sales and customer support!!!

No. There's a reason Apple isn't a 501c non profit organization. They are a profit-driven company. Don't understand why this concept is so hard for you to grasp.

Really, if this "meager" discount of 15% was so inhumane, why are people still working for Apple retail and corporate? With probably (note: this is unsubstantiated but based off subjective views) hundreds of people applying to work in retail or corporate per day?

It just works.

Too long to read.

They are too greedy and you know it, too cheap to give their own co-founder an iPad or iPhone on launch day. No **** Wozniak waits because he wants to, also because has no choice but to line up like everybody else because he knows that if he asks for something free, they will laugh in his face. Thats why he is trying to be polite and civil about it and not hold any grudges against his former company. That's the kind of treatment they treat their fellow colleagues. Show me one article that says Apple has given anything for free on launch day to Mr. Wozniak....I'll wait. They know they could but won't because they are too money-hungry. They know they can give away 10,000 free iPads to less privileged schools and charities across the world and not being remotely fazed, but then again, that won't put any money in their fat pockets so they won't. Learn the facts first before you let your inner-Apple fanboy take over, thanks.
 
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Too long to read.

They are too greedy and you know it, too cheap to give their own co-founder an iPad or iPhone on launch day. No **** Wozniak waits because he wants to, also because has no choice but to line up like everybody else because he knows that if he asks for something free, they will laugh in his face. Thats why he is trying to be polite and civil about it and not hold any grudges against his former company. That's the kind of treatment they treat their fellow colleagues. Show me one article that says Apple has given anything for free on launch day to Mr. Wozniak....I'll wait. They know they could but won't because they are too money-hungry. They know they can give away 10,000 free iPads to less privileged schools and charities across the world and not being remotely fazed, but then again, that won't put any money in their fat pockets so they won't. Learn the facts first before you let your inner-Apple fanboy take over, thanks.

The only real facts that can be discerned from the dribble you post is that you have no clue how business works. It's not about someone being a fanboy, its about profits, and at the end of the day giving away your product will not produce numbers.

Apple is a publicly traded company with a board and share holders to report to not a non-profit charity, what part of that do you not understand?

Apple is driven by profits from the products they sell, they and every other company out there aren't charities.

It's not being a fan boy, it's common sense.
 
Too long to read.

Sorry you never passed elementary level reading bro :/ I tutor young kids in my free time...I know how difficult it is for some to read.

They are too greedy and you know it, too cheap to give their own co-founder an iPad or iPhone on launch day. No **** Wozniak waits because he wants to, also because has no choice but to line up like everybody else because he knows that if he asks for something free, they will laugh in his face.

What kind of f-ckery is this? LOLOL. I do not think Apple is greedy; I know they are a corporation. Again, there is a reason why Apple isn't registered as a 501c non profit organization.

And how do you know Woz has "no choice"? Again, I refer to my earlier post. Did he text you yesterday morning saying "DUDE DRENLINE. BRO. F-CKING COOK WON'T GIVE ME FREE IDEVICES...SH-T MAN I'M SO PISSED RIGHT NOW"? How lucky of you! :rolleyes:

Show me one article that says Apple has given anything for free on launch day to Mr. Wozniak....I'll wait.

Show me one article that says Woz has no choice and has been denied free devices on launch day...I'll wait too. :)

They know they could but won't because they are too money-hungry.

Correction: they are a for-profit company with a business model that revolves around earning profits and keeping shareholders happy.

They know they can give away 10,000 free iPads to less privileged schools and charities across the world and not being remotely fazed, but then again, that won't put any money in their fat pockets so they won't.

So you hate every for-profit company and corporation in the world? I'm pretty sure Microsoft, Dell, HP, Sony, LG, Samsung aren't handing out tens of thousands of their products to less privileged schools and charities.

Actually, if you were a little less self-absorbed, you'll recall that Mr Cook donated $100m to charity just two months ago. If you do the math, that's about 200,000 free iPads worth of money ;) That's about 20 times the 10,000 free iPad number you say Apple refuses to give away because "that won't put any money in their fat pockets". See: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57370922-37/apple-ceo-tim-cook-donates-$100-million-to-charity/

Learn the facts first before you let your inner-Apple fanboy take over, thanks.

I've been giving you facts. I'm sorry my posts are too long for your elementary level reading skills to comprehend :/ but I have been referencing articles to somewhat help back up what I'm saying. Where are your facts? Where do you make the claim that Woz has "no choice but to line up" (paraphrased your quote)? lulz.

And I'm anything but an Apple fanboy. I have an iPhone and just recently purchased my second iDevice - an iPad. There are things I do not agree with Apple on, but this is not the time. lulz.

Oh. Edit: sorry if this is too long for you :/ I tried to make my responses to certain sentences short and sweet.
 
drenline, Apple doesn't give Woz a free iPhone/iPad on launch day for the exact same reason it won't allow employees to buy with a discount (or hold a unit in back for them to buy at full price after their shift). Customers get first access to the new products, period.

After there is enough product to meet customer demand, Apple will let employees start buying with their discount.

They've been doing this since day one of their retail stores (2001), which was years before they built up a cash stockpile like they have now.

So to recap, if you're an Apple employee (which Woz still is) and you want something on launch day, you line up with customers before/after you work and buy it at the same price they do.

It would cost Apple nothing to give Woz free devices on launch day. Out of principal, they don't. And Woz could have the thing delivered to home just like millions of others do. He stands in line because he likes it.
 
Too long to read.

They are too greedy and you know it, too cheap to give their own co-founder an iPad or iPhone on launch day. No **** Wozniak waits because he wants to, also because has no choice but to line up like everybody else because he knows that if he asks for something free, they will laugh in his face. Thats why he is trying to be polite and civil about it and not hold any grudges against his former company. That's the kind of treatment they treat their fellow colleagues. Show me one article that says Apple has given anything for free on launch day to Mr. Wozniak....I'll wait. They know they could but won't because they are too money-hungry. They know they can give away 10,000 free iPads to less privileged schools and charities across the world and not being remotely fazed, but then again, that won't put any money in their fat pockets so they won't. Learn the facts first before you let your inner-Apple fanboy take over, thanks.

Really? I'm honestly astonished at this.. Woz does it because he wants to! He likes to do PR for apple. I mean, they do pay him about 100k a year to be an apple fan basically. Instead of making personal attacks against other members, you would do well to learn the facts for yourself.
 
The employee discounts kick in May 11th in case anyone is interested in bugging their Apple friends for one.

-d
 
Ah, that must explain why they make Steve Wozniak camp out on every iPad/iPhone launch because they are too cheap to give the CO-FOUNDER of the company a free iDevice.

Cheap, I tell ya!!!

Do you really think anybody makes him do that? You know, some wealthy people actually are rather humble. Pretty sure if he camps out with everyone else, it's because he wants to.
 
Woz can have any product he wants just by calling and it will be driven over to his house the reason he waits in line is because he likes to meet the people who buy Apple products he has said this many times.
 
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I didn't find one intelligent response in this entire post, please try again fanboy.

You are a truly ignorant and misguided individual.

Also, by your logic, every business and corporation should be giving out their products/services for free in order to not be "greedy", "money-hungry" and essentially evil, right?
 
Company discounts are a perk, a privilege, not a right, nor is it an entitlement. I can't believe how some people can be rapping Apple for being too stingy when they are under no obligation to offer one in the first place. :rolleyes:
 
Woz can have any product he wants just by calling and it will be driven over to his house the reason he waits in line is because he likes to meet the people who by Apple products he has said this many times.

Do you honestly think Tim Cook really gives a damn about the leech that is Woz? He obviously craves the public attention by lining up at Apple Store launches and he has a huge mouth as far as speaking to the press is concerned! I view him as the annoying person in the bar that was once a little bit successful and now isn't, but they can't get over that so they hang around speaking to anyone that will listen to them, even though nobody wants to hear what they have to say. Tim Cook seems to have a lot more class about him than to entertain a loser like Woz! Has been, move on, lose weight...

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Really? I'm honestly astonished at this.. Woz does it because he wants to! He likes to do PR for apple. I mean, they do pay him about 100k a year to be an apple fan basically. Instead of making personal attacks against other members, you would do well to learn the facts for yourself.

Maybe you should get your facts straight too....100k? Hahahaha. Apple does not need Woz in any way. He's a liability!
 
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Not their workers...it's Foxconn. Apple can ask Foxconn to treat their employees better, but they don't have to listen. Foxconn is its own company, Apple, among many other companies, merely has Foxconn build their hardware. Invalid point.
They could EASILY tell Foxconn what to do and force them to listen: "Mr. Fox, if you want our billion$, either do (whatever) or we will find another company that will."

Manufacturers all over the world lose contracts (as well as their businesses) every day.
 
Not their workers...it's Foxconn. Apple can ask Foxconn to treat their employees better, but they don't have to listen. Foxconn is its own company, Apple, among many other companies, merely has Foxconn build their hardware. Invalid point.


We're talking about retail employees here, since not too many of us have friends working in Cupertino. No offense, but they're just retail employees (I used to work retail too, so I understand). They are not the programmers or accountants who sit behind desks and actually manage the company. They sell the product...wouldn't you think the engineer behind the iSight camera deserves a free iPad first? This point is based on very little actual thinking. What large company have you seen recently hand out a $499 device to its employees? To work for Apple corporate is a privilege for the employee, not the other way around. You apply for that engineer position; Apple does not find you. If you do a stellar job, it'd be a nice reward, but Apple owes retail employees (technically) nothing. These people willingly apply and work for Apple retail. And besides, what if an employee did not want an iPad? Moreover, do really think a company would just hand out $499 tablets to its own employees on launch day and make $0 profit as opposed to selling it to a customer? This is a corporation, not Ma & Pa's Tech Shack.

Its a $316 tablet.

So going off that logic, shouldn't a BMW salesman have one of every model? It'll make them better sales/marketing/customer support employees too. Hell, let's give all employees in the Best Buy TV department a free plasma, LCD backlit, and LED backlit TV too, so that they may make accurate comparisons on their own at home. Retail employees are expected to learn these things on their own, whether during down time or at home. I do not know specifically about Apple retail employees, but at Best Buy Mobile, I did not get an Android phone or iPhone to take home and use so I could be a better sales/marketing/customer support employee. I had to learn it on my own, on the fly. That's what retail employees do.

No not the car comparison....Safe to say most anyone selling a car owns a car and knows how a car works. Not the same thing with iPad. I managed in retail for many years, and its only today's cheap-ass retailer mantra that keeps employees ignorant of the products they sell. Companies today make ZERO effort to educate, inform and manage retail employees. As a result we get poor service and misinformation.

At 50% off? No, Apple is not making money. They would be losing money (see: http://www.mobileusers.com/2012/03/17/it-costs-about-316-to-manufacture-an-entry-level-ipad-3/). Click it or not, it costs at least $316 to make the base 16GB wifi model. That's at least a $67 loss per iPad. And please don't bring up Apple has so and so much cash. As a corporation, Apple's goal is to make money and keep stockholders happy. One $67 loss is not too bad...but for every employee? Sure, it's a small amount compared to the billions in cash they have, but still unacceptable.

And to respond to your 50% off or 30% off whatever...Apple retail employees should be glad they are getting any discount at all. Apple does not need to give these employees discounts or whatever...people flock to Apple and want to work at Apple retail. The discount is just a nice bonus and a gesture of good will.

Every part of the company is important. Retail employees are no less important than the ones at corporate. They all must work together to see the company succeed. Its every bit a challenge to stand in front of a diverse group of people each day and sell/service/support them.

And need to relate to the product? Please. I don't own an Android phone but I could help you with almost any Android problem that pops up. You don't need to own a product to be able to sell/troubleshoot it. What is this "they need to FEEL the product" crap? I could tell you a sh-tton about your iPad 2 and 1, and I didn't even own an iPad till this generation. Competent employees don't need to OWN the device to tell you what to do, how to use it, or to troubleshoot.

Thats BS...I cant tell you how many times I have been in front of retail employees where it was clear they had no grasp of the product. I cant tell you how many times I saw products returned because an employee told a customer it would do X when they had no idea.

Anyway, morally yes, it seems like iPads should be offered launch day to employees. But from a company's view, it makes no sense. Customers will pay full price, employees would get it for free, 50% off, 30% off, whatever you users have suggested. And how would you feel if the person in front of you bought the last iPad in the store on launch day and you found out that twenty employees bought their iPads before the general public was allowed to? After waiting for let's say 3 hours in line to walk away empty handed, you wouldn't be too pleased. This hypothetical scenario applies to other (non iPad 3) launches, where the device is in short supply or something.

The dent in production from iPads sold to employees at a discount would not be measurable.

See above
 
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Giving a free ipad or hefty discount to all of their employees would hardly bankrupt the company.

Ok, begin with the iPad. Then when the MBA refresh rolls around, you have people like you clamoring for a "free" or "heftily discounted" MBA for everyone.

Then the MBP refresh...then the iMac refresh...iPhone refresh...Mac Pro refresh (LOL) and you're back at the iPad refresh.

Why just the iPad. What if, as others have said, they don't want the iPad...they want a free or heftily discounted MBP? Hell, I'd rather have a free MBP over a free iPad.

Thats BS...I cant tell you how many times I have been in front of retail employees where it was clear they had no grasp of the product. I cant tell you how many times I saw products returned because an employee told a customer it would do X when they had no idea.

Hire better employees :rolleyes: or employees who will take the initiative to learn and teach others. I don't own an Android phone and knew nothing about mobile broadband when I started at Best Buy mobile, but I got to play with these devices as I worked there and took the initiative to learn about the product. That's not a "they need to own these devices to sell them" problem, that's a "you, as manager, didn't hire the right retail employees" problem. :rolleyes:


Company discounts are a perk, a privilege, not a right, nor is it an entitlement. I can't believe how some people can be rapping Apple for being too stingy when they are under no obligation to offer one in the first place. :rolleyes:
I'll leave that here.
 
Funny you should say ford. Henry ford paid his employees very well and wanted to build a car the working man could afford to buy. Especially his employees.
Indeed. Perhaps some people here should take a look at Fordism.

A happy worker is a good worker. Its annoying when I talk to apple reps and more than half don't own an ipad. They need to relate to the product, what do they know when they dont even own one! How can an apple genius be an expert on knowledge of the ipad and assess my ipad when they dont even use one???
I agree.

Hire better employees :rolleyes: or employees who will take the initiative to learn and teach others. I don't own an Android phone and knew nothing about mobile broadband when I started at Best Buy mobile, but I got to play with these devices as I worked there and took the initiative to learn about the product. That's not a "they need to own these devices to sell them" problem, that's a "you, as manager, didn't hire the right retail employees" problem. :rolleyes:
Clearly that would be the ultimate goal, but is it attainable? Apple has to have thousands of sales people on the payroll. I doubt they would be able to fill many of the positions if they required everyone to be completely competent with all of the products, as that is simply difficult for most. Then you have the low pay problem, which means most of the "smart" and computer inclined people are not going to stick around in sales. They are going to go for the real computer jobs.

a loser like Woz!
move on, lose weight...
Speaking about class, do you think posting rude remarks that have nothing to do with he subject is an example of that???
 
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Op, Apple has a huge list of companies who they offer discounts to their employees. I bought a MBA this weekend for my daughter and our corporate discount was 11%. I dont know if the discount applies to iPads however. Check to see if Apple offers one for your company.
 
Op, Apple has a huge list of companies who they offer discounts to their employees. I bought a MBA this weekend for my daughter and our corporate discount was 11%. I dont know if the discount applies to iPads however. Check to see if Apple offers one for your company.

Also an excellent point. Why are they special and Apple retail employees not.
 
Clearly that would be the ultimate goal, but is it attainable? Apple has to have thousands of sales people on the payroll. I doubt they would be able to fill many of the positions if they required everyone to be completely competent with all of the products, as that is simply difficult for most. Then you have the low pay problem, which means most of the "smart" and computer inclined people are not going to stick around in sales. They are going to go for the real computer jobs.


Speaking about class, do you think posting rude remarks that have nothing to do with he subject is an example of that???

Its clear that fullmanfullninj knows nothing of staffing retail. The expectation that $5.50/hour buys you expertise is just ridiculous. I managed a retail store for years and getting competent folks was tough. Keeping them harder. Just go into a best buy and see what you get...or even an Apple store. Mind boggling what some of them will tell customers.

Its Apple's responsibility to train and educate. If Apple does not set aside time for this activity, then they get what they get. Incentives tend to attract the better workers. Having discounts makes a huge difference. At Egghead, for example, to encourage employees to learn on their own time... they got huge discounts and could also spend a portion of their workday using/learning. Egghead wrote those discounts off.

I doubt Apple has paid time for learning in retail...yet these are the folks expected to move product out the door. And addon sales (the bread and butter of margins), its quite a skill if you can do it yet most are just happy to get a sale to the register.
 
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