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Apple Event to Include 13-Inch MacBook Pro, 16-Inch MacBook Pro, and 13-Inch MacBook Air With Apple Silicon Chips [Updated]

I'm betting the 16" will be intel's 10th gen with a 1080p camera for "stunning video" (sorry, I couldn't help myself).

I ordered a 16" MBP on 10/27 (refurbished at 15% off) ... I didn't think the FF camera would be a deal breaker ... I thought the reviews were over exaggerated ... nope ... its terrible ... so bad, that within the 2 week window, I'm returning it ...

I cannot go w/AS given the state of x86 virtualization at this time ... I would probably hold out of intel TL while using my 2012 MBPr 16/768 (tried, true, and trusted, albeit slow on VM'ing)
 
Realityck said:
I think Bloomberg is wrong. Either 13" MacBook Air or MacBook Pro laptop a possibility, but a 16" MacBook Pro, umm no.
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MBA was THE most recently released machine in 2020 - so no.

MacBook is non-existent, bringing back a high quality and competing consumer notebook fits into this testing the thresholds.

MBP 13/14" is next in line as it was updated early 2020 and past 6mths so 8mths release sounds perfect in December
 
richinaus said:
Not really and is a totally valid thought.
I have been running Macs only in my business and home since 2001, and have spent a small fortune with Apple over the years.
Recently however I bought a PC and a HP laptop for the business simply due to uncertainty of critical app support moving forward. And to be honest, I have no regrets at all on these business purchases, as they are performing exactly as I need them to.

However there is never going to be a PC replacing my macs for my personal and creative endeavours, and I am all on board for the AI transition. Just won’t take my business along for the ride with it for the first few years.....
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If this were forums(dot)laptops(dot)com, yeah. But it's macrumors.com. And having been a sysadmin for nearly 20 years, I'm more than a little familiar with what Windows can and can't do. ;)
 
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eulslix said:
He literally asked for a laptop, nothing about OSX was mentioned at that time. The XPS was a great suggestion, given how close it is to the MacBook Pro. I was considering it myself, as I wasn’t sure whether AS is going to suit my needs.

Then you basically went ahead and made fun of the commenter for bringing in the competition on a Mac forum. Also, you decided to accuse the user of jumping at you, even though he just explained his intent without even addressing you personally.

This is not a PR forum for Apple. This is a place for people with a Mac affinity discussing things. And as such is good to look sometimes outside of the bubble...
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I literally didn't ask for anything, and I'm on a Mac forum. I don't need anyone's assistance with selecting a computer, as I've got more than enough experience to determine that on my own. I was just debating out loud whether I want to be on the AS hype train at first release or not.
 
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Just curious, why would you like to redesign the best design ever :)
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Haha, yes. My objections to the current ones is minor, and mainly concerns bezel reduction in the 13" laptops and iPads.

Have you seen Dell XPS series? I want that from Apple. I hate that the MacBook bezels are uneven; it's better on the 16", but a really thin bezel all around would be nice.

And I still think the iPad bezels are too thick. I wish them to be at least as thin as the sides on the older 10.5 iPad Pro.

Just minor gripes for sure though.
 
What's so cool is the latest A14X benchmark leaks had it matching the current 8-core i9 on the top of the line 16-inch Macbook Pro - but these A14X chips are going in the LOWEST end Macbooks! So all of a sudden, the cheapest Macbooks will be as powerful as those $5,000 16" MBPs! Imagine then what an A15T might be like for the 16" replacement next year...
 
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I would also like to see them drop down the 16"'s starting price... is there going to still be enough reason for the 16" to start at a full $1100 above the 13"? Big oohs and aahs from the digital crowd if they can put a 16" model at $2k.
 
AceFernalld said:
I would also like to see them drop down the 16"'s starting price... is there going to still be enough reason for the 16" to start at a full $1100 above the 13"? Big oohs and aahs from the digital crowd if they can put a 16" model at $2k.
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I wish this meant lower prices, but I don't think that'll be the case.
 
polaris20 said:
I wish this meant lower prices, but I don't think that'll be the case.
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Yeah, Apple certainly won't be lowering their margins but I wonder if the cost savings of the silicon staff / manufacturing overlap across product lines will be effectively passed onto us via lower product prices in some products.

Of course I don't expect the MBA to go any lower than its current $999, but something like the 16" MBP at $2,399 with those incredibly costly Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs? I could see that coming down a few hundred bucks. They're going to have to figure out how to maintain the 'gradual upsell' philosophy that's currently implemented in the iPad and iPhone lines in the ASi Macs. I'm fascinated to see how they structure the lines and SKUs and price-points.

Edit: I just went and did some research. Back in 2012 the 13" MBP started at $1199 and the 15" (going to call that the equivalent to today's 16") started at $1799. Since then the price of entry for the 13" has raised by $100, and the 15-16" by $600. I think they could use this as an opportunity to bring that back down a little bit.
 
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Icaras said:
The way Apple is restructuring it’s product lineups, it makes more sense than ever to bring back the 12-inch MacBook as an Air.
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And whether you want to call it a MacBook mini or a MacBook Air (12-inch), the bottom line is bringing back three size choices to the MacBook lineup would be most welcomed.
 
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Guess I know what I need to buy then: last years MacBook Pro 16". That will have to last me until someone figures out how to put a full version of Windows into decent emulation. Or a decent number of programs get ported to Window for ARM (and Microsoft decides to sell it to people who are NOT OEM's).
 
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Maconplasma said:
I'm the voice of a real person. A real person that works for a major car dealership and still doesn't know all the functions of our cars or what the previous model had that the new one has, or what the new ones are lacking. I'm the voice a real person who buys Plasma and OLED TV's and puts my time into the models I am interested in rather than searching for what's the oldest or the ones being trashed the most on forums. I'm the voice of a real person who doesn't necessarily invest my time in every sing product I buy whether expensive or not. That is the general public. People who frequent forums are not the general public.

So are you saying that every single thing you buy you do extensive research on forums, reviews, blogs and ask all your friends, family and neighbors about it before purchase? I would doubt highly that you do.
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Well you do for the few things you spend a lot of money on. Like computers... and cars. That should be obvious to you.
 
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Babygotfont said:
I'm betting the 16" will be intel's 10th gen with a 1080p camera for "stunning video" (sorry, I couldn't help myself).

I ordered a 16" MBP on 10/27 (refurbished at 15% off) ... I didn't think the FF camera would be a deal breaker ... I thought the reviews were over exaggerated ... nope ... its terrible ... so bad, that within the 2 week window, I'm returning it ...

I cannot go w/AS given the state of x86 virtualization at this time ... I would probably hold out of intel TL while using my 2012 MBPr 16/768 (tried, true, and trusted, albeit slow on VM'ing)
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I hope so, plus wifi 6 so we can actually sync the upcoming 500GB portless phone in something less than two days.

We need one more Intel machine to tide us over for a number of years until (hopefully) we either remove the need for intel workloads or (ugh) break down and buy a windows machine.

A real fear is that apple is inside their own reality distortion field and we're done with the 2019 models, because they drank the rosetta kool-aid and miss the whole point of x86/64 compatibility. We're going to lose the last remnants of mac gaming with AS (native is completely dead because developers won't port to a different architecture), but more importantly, we lose access to windows-only workloads like autocad, solidworks, and development tools.

The biggest fear though, is if they don't actually tell us until after they discontinue it, so it's too late to get the 'late, great MBP max'd out. That'd be a kick in the face.
 
Darth Tulhu said:
Haha, yes. My objections to the current ones is minor, and mainly concerns bezel reduction in the 13" laptops and iPads.

Have you seen Dell XPS series? I want that from Apple. I hate that the MacBook bezels are uneven; it's better on the 16", but a really thin bezel all around would be nice.

And I still think the iPad bezels are too thick. I wish them to be at least as thin as the sides on the older 10.5 iPad Pro.

Just minor gripes for sure though.
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hmmm.

I’m on the fence with the bezels.

Apple has steadily improved the design of their laptops, slowly by each 2 generations from PowerBook to MacBook, to MacBook/MacBook Air 2012/2011 and to the 2016 models onward to current generation.

I’d also like to see thinner bezels on the entire MacBook lineup from Apple from late 2020 onward. To match the Dell’s XPS13/15/2-in-1 models yet Apple must commit to that thin shiny edge! They’ll also need to reinforce the lid to ensure minor bumps don’t lead to damaged pixels!! Something I worry about the Dell models and have kept away from purchasing them.

HP seems to have a more balance solution between super thin and slightly too wide bezels of the MacBook models. Their laptop & 2-in-1 models have the industry’s strongest and most reliable hinges - including and especially against impact: EliteBook lineup (inc DragonFly) and ZBook lineup.

thin would be nice yet it would NOT be welcome if the hinge or display integrity is compromised beyond current levels of measure and. Resistance to damage.
 
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And I still think the iPad bezels are too thick. I wish them to be at least as thin as the sides on the older 10.5 iPad /Pro.
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Unfortunately, the smaller the bezels go for iPads & iPhones, often the worse the usability goes. These are devices we have to hold to use, and the smaller bezels go, the more the screen is covered when holding/steadying it at times, and the more the unintentional inputs. And, many of us use cases, and the quest for zero bezels puts a further damper on usability if not a big decrease in the ability to envelop/protect the device. And bezels on laptop screens at least provide some protection against hard bumps to the side of the fragile screen. I really don‘t understand this quest for zero bezels on tv’s, mobile devices, and laptops since there are non-zero usability and durability/protection trade-offs. There’s a good reason for bumpers on cars, bannisters along stairs, rails at the edge of the grand canyon, etc.
 
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Let's recall for a moment and I remember those users surmise why the MacBook Pro being the most flawed product.

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Tozovac said:
Unfortunately, the smaller the bezels go for iPads & iPhones, often the worse the usability goes. These are devices we have to hold to use, and the smaller bezels go, the more the screen is covered when holding/steadying it at times, and the more the unintentional inputs. And, many of us use cases, and the quest for zero bezels puts a further damper on usability if not a big decrease in the ability to envelop/protect the device. And bezels on laptop screens at least provide some protection against hard bumps to the side of the fragile screen. I really don‘t understand this quest for zero bezels on tv’s, mobile devices, and laptops since there are non-zero usability and durability/protection trade-offs. There’s a good reason for bumpers on cars, bannisters along stairs, rails at the edge of the grand canyon, etc.
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Other writers have supported your view when it comes to phones (e.g. : https://www.pcworld.com/article/3429607/smartphone-bezels-samsung-oppo-google-pixel-4.html)

But when it comes to laptops, AOI's (e.g., the iMac), and monitors, I prefer smaller bezels. I've owned Apple laptops since 2009, and I've never damaged one, so I'd prefer less bezel and more screen. And for desktops, I use multiple monitors arrayed side-by-side. There, it's much nicer to have the bezels be as thin as possible.
 
Tozovac said:
Unfortunately, the smaller the bezels go for iPads & iPhones, often the worse the usability goes. These are devices we have to hold to use, and the smaller bezels go, the more the screen is covered when holding/steadying it at times, and the more the unintentional inputs. And, many of us use cases, and the quest for zero bezels puts a further damper on usability if not a big decrease in the ability to envelop/protect the device. And bezels on laptop screens at least provide some protection against hard bumps to the side of the fragile screen. I really don‘t understand this quest for zero bezels on tv’s, mobile devices, and laptops since there are non-zero usability and durability/protection trade-offs. There’s a good reason for bumpers on cars, bannisters along stairs, rails at the edge of the grand canyon, etc.
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The latest PCs have been able to deal with tiny bezels for years now.

And with regards to the iPads, the bezels are already thin enough to be narrower than thumbs, which is why Apple's unintended input rejection is there and quite good. I don't think usability is impacted in the way you allude to.

Personally I've become accustomed to holding the iPad by the edges when two-handed, as a painter's palette when one-handed, or prop it up somewhere, especially with the 10.5 and up iPads.

As far as protection goes, I never use iPads or phones naked. There's plenty of bumpers, cases, and sleeves to protect the devices.
 
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