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Apple Execs Talk M1 Chip, Touchscreen Macs and More in New Interview

I believe it is called M1 for Mobile, not Mac. they are being coy. The higher end could be M1Pro.

I would say the desktop chips would get a P designation, except that is what Pentium ended up as.

D1?
 
dannys1 said:
although even that is 10x better with a trackpad at which point you try to avoid touching the screen at all costs
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Which begs the questions, if one doesn't care for touch or Pencil, why bother buying an iPad Air / iPad Pro? May as well just buy an ASi MBA or MBP.
 
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Apple thinking of doing a “touchscreen” in a MAC? Now that is another one of Apple’s creative ideas! Huh? Wonder how Apple came up with such revolutionary, ground breaking ideas like that?
 
dannyyankou said:
Glad they’re not doing touchscreen macs, I hate those hybrid devices
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But Big Sur interface is very tap-able and touch-able. When loading Big Sur on my 32 inch touchscreen Cintiq Pro, it like using gigantic iPad Pro.

They avoid touchscreen Mac, but in sake for unifying OS interface between MacOS and iOS, on MacOS interface side is very contradicting. Marzipan apps even doesn't support traditional desktop contextual menu, navigating touchscreen ported apps with small pointer seems very clunky experience for me.
 
smulji said:
Which begs the questions, if one doesn't care for touch or Pencil, why bother buying an iPad Air / iPad Pro? May as well just buy an ASi MBA or MBP.
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I think that this illustrates the crux of the user objections to a touchscreen Mac and Craig's assertions that the Mac and iPad OSes are not being integrated.

Users that prefer Mac OS want pinpoint precision when "mousing", and don't necessarily object to the "touch and type" paradigm exemplified by Windows 2-in-1s.

I agree with Apple's position that bringing "mousing" to iPadOS makes more sense than trying to bring "touch" back to the Mac, probably because (according to Steve Jobs on the launch of the iPhone) "iOS IS OS X".

iPadOS needs to be able to handle "fat fingering". Thus, bringing "touch to the Mac" is exactly what iPadOS is.

It has a bit to go (I want floating windows, three-finger drag), but I think that, for the moment, the way that multitasking is implemented on the iPad it suffices for many (not all) workflows.

I think eventually both OSes will be equally capable, and the only difference will be how input is achieved. But it is in that difference where the OS separation will exist.
 
boss.king said:
I know, right. Imagine if they had made some sort of disgusting keyboard and trackpad case that essentially turned their tablet into a touchscreen laptop. There's nothing worse than versatility and options when it comes to computing if you ask me, each device should stick to doing one thing and we should all have to buy a bunch of devices and piece them together to get the functionality we want.

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Imagine if it had a touchbar....:rolleyes:
 
dannyyankou said:
Apples and oranges. It makes sense adding a keyboard when you want to do more heavy duty typing on a iPad. But I’ve tried using one of those touchscreen laptops before, and using a mouse or trackpad is a lot more comfortable.
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Why not both? I spend most of my time on an iPad, but still use a MacBook Pro for heavy typing, stuff that I want true multitasking / multiple screens, and so forth. I find myself reaching up and touching the screen frequently, wondering why it’s not working, and then remembering it’s a Mac.

I see no reason why the addition of touchscreen technology to the Mac would bother you. You can keep using the trackpad. But for me, I won’t buy another MacBook Pro, particularly not one that is supposed to run iOS and iPad OS software, without a touchscreen.
 
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I am very surprised he said that about touchscreen Macs. Big Sur had me 99% sure one was coming. I still wouldn't be surprised if we saw a new hybrid device next year. Something that can be a Mac laptop and an iPad. An elegant engineering solution no one thought of before. And it will cost the earth.
 
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nightcap965 said:
Why not both? I spend most of my time on an iPad, but still use a MacBook Pro for heavy typing, stuff that I want true multitasking / multiple screens, and so forth. I find myself reaching up and touching the screen frequently, wondering why it’s not working, and then remembering it’s a Mac.

I see no reason why the addition of touchscreen technology to the Mac would bother you. You can keep using the trackpad. But for me, I won’t buy another MacBook Pro, particularly not one that is supposed to run iOS and iPad OS software, without a touchscreen.
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That is a good point. Why bring apps DESIGNED FOR TOUCH to a Mac?

I think that now that the iPad has mouse support, there's really no reason not to.

The issue is the reverse is not easily achieved... having Mac apps NOT designed for touch on a touchscreen device could result in a bad user-experience, which Apple tends to avoid.

Hence, no touch Macs.
 
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derekamoss said:
Imagine if it had a touchbar....:rolleyes:
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Lol. That's not even close to the touch real-estate you'd need for iOS apps. Think of even simple touch-based games like Cut The Rope or Fruit Ninja, you think those would be usable with the touchpad (which is set up to work like a trackpad, not a touchscreen) and the touch bar?

At this point, they're already bringing touch-reliant apps to the Mac, they just haven't added the hardware to make them properly usable yet. The other option is an app store full of apps that you can install but will be awful to actually use on a daily basis, which will turn into a ton of bad reviews for devs, who will, in turn, opt our of Apple's unified app thing that they've just been pushing.

If you think ahead about the consequences of these actions, it's pretty clear that touch support isn't far off.
 
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dannyyankou said:
Glad they’re not doing touchscreen macs, I hate those hybrid devices
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Everyone I know who has a touch screen Windows laptop loves them and can't imagine going back.

The thing is, there is nothing on a touch screen laptop that you can't also do with the trackpad. So you could simply choose to not touch your screen if you didn't like it, and those of us that do want to can use the screen. Win win.
 
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dannys1 said:
an iPad is running iPadOS which is designed from the ground up for touch input. macOS isn't at all - and you'd have to fundamentally change the entire UI to make it touch compatible which shouldn't be touched.
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Yeah, but now macOS will be able to run all iPadOS and iOS apps, so how is that going to work well?

Guaranteed we are going to see a lot of parodies on YT of people trying to use iOS apps on M1 macs.

I won't be surprised if the end result is Apple realises it's made a mistake and has a rethink about touch screen Macs.

And please oh please, they then ditch the freaking touch bar.
 
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boss.king said:
Have you seen Big Sur? They've made a whole bunch of UI changes that are way less mouse-friendly and look like they've been specifically designed for touch input.
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Don't agree at all - i've been designing using the Human Interface Guidelines for Big Sir - they're not touched based at all - there's a unified modern look across OS's but in some cases font sizes have decreased, there's NOTHING about Big Sur which makes it touch friendly.
 
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sideshowuniqueuser said:
Yeah, but now macOS will be able to run all iPadOS and iOS apps, so how is that going to work well?

Guaranteed we are going to see a lot of parodies on YT of people trying to use iOS apps on M1 macs.

I won't be surprised if the end result is Apple realises it's made a mistake and has a rethink about touch screen Macs.

And please oh please, they then ditch the freaking touch bar.
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I guess the iOS apps will just work like they don the iPad with the trackpad. They're not going to be as good as native Mac apps but it's there if you need it - Games will be the most useful thing probably. But honestly there's really nothing I can think of from iPad or iOS i'd want on my Mac.

The Touch Bar is fine, just don't use it if you don't like it. I wouldn't want to go back to buttons for volume and brightness to be honest, a touch strip is a much better way to do it - I also have a bunch of custom programmed macros on the buttons that do lots of tasks in one press and I enjoy having them everywhere with me, named and arrange and as many as I want - F keys are dead.
 
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dannys1 said:
Don't agree at all - i've been designing using the Human Interface Guidelines for Big Sir - they're not touched based at all - there's a unified modern look across OS's but in some cases font sizes have decreased, there's NOTHING about Big Sur which makes it touch friendly.
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You don't see the obvious touch-friendliness improvements that have been made to things like the notification center?

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dannys1 said:
The Touch Bar is fine, just don't use it if you don't like it. I wouldn't want to go back to buttons for volume and brightness to be honest, a touch strip is a much better way to do it - I also have a bunch of custom programmed macros on the buttons that do lots of tasks in one press and I enjoy having them everywhere with me, named and arrange and as many as I want - F keys are dead.
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Look, I don't mind having the touch bar so much, it's the removal of the fn keys that's freaking mind blowing. I'd be perfectly happy if we could have both (yes there is space). Or an optional BTO touch bar, that would be even better, so I don't actually have to pay for the "privilege" of this abomination.
 
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coreyq said:
I JUST bought and received shipment of the 13" MBP with the high-end Intel chip. Should I return it for the new M1?

13-inch MacBook Pro - Space Gray
Z0Y7
Configuration
• 2.3GHz quad-core 10th-generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.1GHz
• Intel Iris Plus Graphics
• 32GB 3733MHz LPDDR4X memory
• 1TB SSD storage
• 13-inch Retina display with True Tone
• Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
• Touch Bar and Touch ID
• PRO APPS 065-C171 NONE
• SW LOGIC PRO X 065-C172 NONE
• Backlit Magic Keyboard - US English
• Accessory Kit
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its simple. It looks like you need 4 ports and 32GB of RAM. The m1 doesn't support that. Check back in 2 ys.
 
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Piggie said:
Given babies and children and growing up now, experiencing the ability to touch a screen as totally normal, I'm still convinced, despite what Apple says now, that touch screens simply have to be the future.
Not for all operations of course not. but simply there to use when you want to use them, and when it's suitable to do so.
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If Star Trek: The Next Generation has taught me anything, it is that touch tablets will be everywhere in the future...

BERMUDASHORTSDREIECK said:
its simple. It looks like you need 4 ports and 32GB of RAM. The m1 doesn't support that. Check back in 2 ys.
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More like sometime next year...
 
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