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Does anyone else here think that Apple seems to have lost their innovative shine?

I mean, during the early 2000s it seems they came out with new computer designs each year: the flower iMac, the Cube, PowerBook Titanium etc... Hell, they've been shipping the same external case for the PowerMac G5/Mac Pro since 2003!!!

I know that true innovation is difficult but Apple seems to only iterate these days with minor changes and not much innovation. Just smacks me of profiteering. It's like they don't care as much as they used to.

I agree that the Case for the Mac Pro is an old design by apple standards, but they really broke the mold when they designed it. I can't think of a single thing that you could change on that case with the possible exception of ever so slightly rounded edges on the handle bits that could make it any better.
 
By 2016 and 2021 this country might not be in existance anymore, or even the world. The way things are going right now is proof that the economic future of this country and the world is NOT VERY BRIGHT.



Wait till 2016 and 2021 when he gets his RSU stocks. That is unless AAPL stocks don't tank by then.


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The free market is corrupt and need to be abolished. And yes, I am a Socialist and for the abolition of money.. Money has been the root problems in the cause of wars and death.

I will be so glad when the FED is razed!

To avoid a socio-political debate, I will state I am not a member of any political party and base each and every decision on the merits of the issue, not on towing a "liberal" or "conservative" party as that has proven to divide, not unite, a nation. I am fiscally conservative and [very] socially liberal.

However, that amount of money is sickening. My father was a successful Bear Stearns investment banker for many years, I've seen sick amounts of money being traded akin to Monopoly money. Derivatives, betting against defaults, millions trading hands in a matter of minutes. Capitalism or Communism, they have much in common than most realize. The "free market" is a ponzi scheme; those who have money, make money, and those who don't have a small chance at success. Taking money from one group, investing it in an [theoretically] unstable system as the stock exchange, those individuals taking money from another, and so on and so on. Taking the system as a whole, it's rather shoddy ideology wrapped up in a guise of "freedom".

That being stated, didn't Mansfield "leave" or cash in large amounts of stock options for millions, only to "return" just in time to acquire millions of dollars in more stock? That's a lot of incentive for, well, very little work.

Just throwing that out there. Hope everyone had a great weekend!
 
I think his will not show up since he is U.K. citizen. So maybe his pay was not reported on because it was in the same report these authors got everyone else's pay scales.

According to Apple his position doesn't require them to disclose his salary info to the SEC. Not sure why but my guess is all the SVP's have similar salary and stock option grants. Doesn't make sense why one SVP would be paid more than another....except maybe the CFO has a higher salary...
 
The free market is corrupt and need to be abolished. And yes, I am a Socialist and for the abolition of money.. Money has been the root problems in the cause of wars and death.
I certainly can't argue that free markets have avoided corruption, but Socialism hasn't exactly had a stellar track record on the corruption front... Nor on the war argument either, come to think of it...

Economic systems aren't the problem here, the governance structure around them is.
 
In b4 all of the liberal hippies who will come and say "no one deserves to make that much money!"

Utter FAIL. It's that no one should have that much money while others aren't able to feed themselves. It's a question of equality, not limits.
 
Does anyone else here think that Apple seems to have lost their innovative shine?

I mean, during the early 2000s it seems they came out with new computer designs each year: the flower iMac, the Cube, PowerBook Titanium etc... Hell, they've been shipping the same external case for the PowerMac G5/Mac Pro since 2003!!!

I know that true innovation is difficult but Apple seems to only iterate these days with minor changes and not much innovation. Just smacks me of profiteering. It's like they don't care as much as they used to.

Yes. They were innovative when Steve Jobs was alive.

The Edison company had much better inventions when Mr. Edison was alive.

Same with - Ford, Leroy Grumman, etc.
 
I think his will not show up since he is U.K. citizen. So maybe his pay was not reported on because it was in the same report these authors got everyone else's pay scales.

According to Apple his position doesn't require them to disclose his salary info to the SEC. Not sure why but my guess is all the SVP's have similar salary and stock option grants. Doesn't make sense why one SVP would be paid more than another....except maybe the CFO has a higher salary...

Thanks guys.
Still wondering wether he makes the same kind of money as the other execs. Or less. Or more.
 
Thanks guys.
Still wondering wether he makes the same kind of money as the other execs. Or less. Or more.

We'll probably never know but one would assume all the SVPs have similar (if not the same) salaries and stock option grants. Seeing as Ive spent $17M on a house in San Fran last year he's obviously not doing to shabby in the comp department.
 
To be honest with the amount of work these guys have to do, money doesn't really matter.

Haha is this a joke? According to that logic a McDonalds employee should be the highest paid worker in the country. If we're measuring compensation in terms of amount of work performed.
 
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The 5mil is just a very wrough number, based on what I read on the subject. I agree and of course understand that Apple has to offer competitive wages to their top managers to attract and keep them, but over 60million dollars isn't competitive, it's outrageous, hence the 2nd,3rd, 4th and 5th place in the ranking mentioned in the article.
And come on, they won't ever go to Samsung. The corporate cultures are way too different.

Money changes everything. Why would the retail guy leave Apple to go to JCPenny (and then get fired)? He was offered more money. I can't think of a more contrasting company, but he went there.

Forget Samsung, how about Google?
 
No doubt good leadership is worth a premium, but no single individual should be making 300X the engineer writing the actual code.

Well the world does unfortunately reward managers even far better pay than engineers. Generic managers getting paid more than the workers while knowing a fraction as much as those in the field. Life is unfair. But hey, being a manager ain't as fun as an engineer!
 
According to Apple his position doesn't require them to disclose his salary info to the SEC. Not sure why but my guess is all the SVP's have similar salary and stock option grants. Doesn't make sense why one SVP would be paid more than another....except maybe the CFO has a higher salary...

While he is a senior executive, he is probably not a corporate "officer".

Money changes everything. Why would the retail guy leave Apple to go to JCPenny (and then get fired)? He was offered more money. I can't think of a more contrasting company, but he went there.

Forget Samsung, how about Google?

Because he was not on the list as a potential CEO of Apple, he had peaked out. The challenge was over. It was time for a new challenge. When you reach a certain amount of wealth, it's no longer about the money, its about challenge, status, and power. I really don't know if he was offerd more money or not. I almost bought JC Penny stock, and I am glad I didn't.
 
I agree that the Case for the Mac Pro is an old design by apple standards, but they really broke the mold when they designed it. I can't think of a single thing that you could change on that case with the possible exception of ever so slightly rounded edges on the handle bits that could make it any better.

Competing workstations of a similar size support more memory, disks and PCIe slots. (And, of course, they have newer CPUs than the Apple Pro.) Competing workstations of a much smaller size match the Apple Pro for for memory, disks and PCIe slots.

At least cut those nearly useless handles off so that it can be laid on its side and fit in a rack.


We'll probably never know but one would assume all the SVPs have similar (if not the same) salaries and stock option grants. Seeing as Ive spent $17M on a house in San Fran last year he's obviously not doing to shabby in the comp department.

$17M in San Francisco buys a 2 bedroom condo.

;) just kidding - here's Jony's house http://www.bornrich.com/apples-desi...lion-home-san-franciscos-billionaire-row.html

House prices in the Bay Area can boggle the mind, though....
 
And therein lies the problem with financials of today... We value something based upon speculative "maybe's of the future" as opposed to its actual value. I.E. paper money vs gold and silver. Profits and earnings should be the major contributor to a company's MCAP with forecasts playing the minor role. Not the other way around.

Gold and silver have limited intrinsic value. They used to be valuable as money, but they don't work very well as money anymore.

They are properly categorized as industrial commodities now, like gravel.

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Where is there salary coming from? The stock price sucks but the company has tons of cash.

They dropped the ball on the stocks, but the company itself is still a success.

I am not saying that is right, just saying Apple brings in a lot of money (which is how I would measure "success") right now. It may not last, but this is an article regarding the fiscal 2012 year, not the future.

The management of a company is there to give value to the owners of the company. They are doing a horrible job of it. Their lousy performance has cost hundreds of billions of dollars. The BOD should clean house.

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Only trolls use the word "fanboy".


Only fanbois use the word "troll".

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What does Wall Street know now (or what did they know last fall) that they didn't know in the summer when they were running the stock up and it was the darling of Wall Street?

They know that Apple's best days are behind them, and that the future earnings are unlikely to justify a stock price much above $400.

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And yes, I am a Socialist and for the abolition of money..

Do you favor barter? No medium of exchange? Have you really thought about what that would entail?
 
They know that Apple's best days are behind them, and that the future earnings are unlikely to justify a stock price much above $400.
And they didn't know that last summer when they were running the stock up to $700 a share (and some had $1000 price targets)? Bull***

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$17M in San Francisco buys a 2 bedroom condo.

;) just kidding - here's Jony's house http://www.bornrich.com/apples-desi...lion-home-san-franciscos-billionaire-row.html

House prices in the Bay Area can boggle the mind, though....
still you gotta be making decent coin to afford a $17M house.
 
I wonder what these guys actually do? Manage a team of amazing people who actually get **** done that make these guys so freaking rich?
 
And they didn't know that last summer when they were running the stock up to $700 a share (and some had $1000 price targets)? Bull***

Last summer, Apple had not yet missed 3 of the last 4 earnings estimates.

Another factor is that it takes a lot of time for the typical Apple shareholder to unload billions of dollars worth of stock without quickly depressing the market for Apple stock, so the Hedge Funds and the Pension Funds and the Mutual Funds, those lovely folks who own the company we love, create a delayed reaction. Hell, they are still selling off their excess AAPL, and that is why the share price continues to tank.

Do you think that the Hedge Funds can divest on a dime? AAPL is Big Money. It takes lots of time to turn a wounded battleship around. You can't just do a 4-wheel drift and turn 180 degrees. AAPL isn't a sports car, it is a hulk.
 
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