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Surprising. We're already mandating vaccines for anyone going back to the office. Also, those not vaccinated by 1/1/2022 will have to start paying most of the premium on their corporate Aetna plan... which is presently fully covered for the employee and their family.

We've lost 10+ people to Covid, most of them previously healthy adults under 50, a few of them athletes. Enough was enough.
I have one in about the same position
 

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If you're smart enough to own an Apple product, you should already be vaccinated barring really weird health issues. If you're smart enough to GET a JOB, there, even more so.

This shouldn't even be an issue. Mandate it.
 
Eventually, Apple will be forcing the employees for the vaccines to get mandated. Why waste time not mandating it now when Food and Drug Administration officially approved it.

Why is this all wishy-washy?

This is the same FDA that also approves cancer causing ingredients and chemicals in other cases. I’m not really sure they can be trusted.

Follow the big pharma money trail.
 
Apple weeds out racists too. Weird that you have no problem with that but have a problem with this
Apple weeds out racists too. Weird that you have no problem with that but have a problem with this.
Oh the moral grandstanding only goes so far, same with all these companies otherwise they would have a different attitude towards China and other places
 
This is the same FDA that also approves cancer causing ingredients and chemicals in other cases. I’m not really sure they can be trusted.

Follow the big pharma money trail.
It’s also the same FDA that claimed late last year to have an open and transparent discussion for any EUA and approval and also made a decision with less than six months of data even though Pfizer was informed of waning efficacy 3-4 months after giving the injection plus also tainted its test group that was designed for a 2 year study but hey safe even though it’s failing with the Delta variant 🙄

the vaccinated telling the unvaccinated what to do.
Even though Fauci stated the viral load in both groups is the same for Delta.

this is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Give them the choice. be Vaccinated or unemployment.
Aren’t the vaccinated also equally spreading Delta. Help me understand your logic.

If you're smart enough to own an Apple product, you should already be vaccinated barring really weird health issues. If you're smart enough to GET a JOB, there, even more so.

This shouldn't even be an issue. Mandate it.
Are you claiming all smart people own Apple products, if that is the case we would not have Apple Support.

the FDA approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine
It’s politically driven and done without transparency plus being less than 50% effective against Delta while FDA requires at least 50% or higher efficacy means the FDA is being disingenuous.

Very good. I’m not for mandates at all, especially for something that’s still in a clinical study till 2023.
Pfizer basically tainted the trial group and used the global population in mass with the aid of FDA to conduct its trial.

I have one in about the same position
The group on the right can also include the vaccinated, look at Israel, Seychelles, UK, Iceland and Gibraltar.
 
Through a friend of the family, 5 floors of the local hospital are entirely filled with covid patients, 99% of them unvaccinated. It is just unfathomable that we're going in the wrong direction ... when the vaccine, masks and hand washing are such simple measures.

Please, just get the JAB folks, for your own sake, for your family, friends, loved ones, coworkers.

If most people do no get on board with getting vaccinated, this is just going to keep going around in circles, variant a b c d e f g ... bankrupting healthcare, eroding the economy in various ways ... and life will never return to normal. Every country that had the idea they were going to toughen it out and get just herd immunity the old fashioned / natural way has failed.
Stop spreading FUD and read up on waning antibodies and ADE. It does not matter if you are injected people are carrying the same level of viral load and spreading it while also getting sick, hospitalized and dying.
 
My God, look how insane this has become. The unvaccinated and racist mentioned in the same breath.
Homeland Security I believe groups people who do not want to or cannot get vaccinated along with racists as terrorists, unbelievable.

Vaccine *mandates* are absolutely political.
Lol, FDA approved it behind closed doors due to politics this has been noted by many in the science community.

Eventually, Apple will be forcing the employees for the vaccines to get mandated. Why waste time not mandating it now when Food and Drug Administration officially approved it.

Why is this all wishy-washy?
Are your purposely staying uninformed or are you unaware that FDA granted approval due to political pressure.

Am I getting it right that putting others in danger is American? I wonder what a court would say if a non vaccinated and infected person willfully went to work and as a result effected others resulting in death or side effects like loss of smell and fatigue.
This is a trick question but throughout history the CIA’s hands in global conflict is drenched in blood.

Evolution in action.
It’s free will and choice, similar to someone not forcing to do or act in the face of imminent danger as supposed to other who do and are safe or maybe make a decision for the worse. This is life.

My coworker thought that way... he's been in the hospital for 2 weeks, moved into the ICU last Monday. Per his wife, prognosis is not great. He's on a heart-lung machine, but he can't ween off the ventilator, his O2 level crashes, lungs look like they're covered in a cloud. Tried all the conventional therapies.

Wishes he got the vaccine now. Too late...
What conventional therapies has your coworker tried or been provided. It’s unfortunate to hear your coworker is fighting for their life, hope their recover even if things are looking gloom.

In a modern country, you are forcefully taken in foreign substances all the time. Mostly without a clue what it is as opposed to vaccines that are extremely well documented.
Well documented, you mean like Pfizer tainted the study groups by offering them the injection after the trials which was designed for 2 years. Only a few decided not to get injected after and it’s not enough data to make any conclusions.

I am very torn on this. I got the vaccine and think people who don't are misguided. On the other hand, forcing people to do something they are so sure is detrimental to their health and freedoms seems un-American. Glad I'm not making any decisions.
You can only make a decision for yourself and anyone unable to do so under your care, making or imposing or coercing a decision onto others is criminal.
 
Stop spreading FUD and read up on waning antibodies and ADE. It does not matter if you are injected people are carrying the same level of viral load and spreading it while also getting sick, hospitalized and dying.
Your last two points are invalid

Yes, they can carry the viral load and spread it...
Yes, they can get sick
Hospitalized are mere fractions compared to the unvaccinated hospitalization and death rate


Studies have shown that you are 15-20X more likely to die if hospitalized and unvaccinated.
 
Mandate. Easy. Don’t like the policy, find another job.
Are you fully vaccinated now; good. Months later did you get your booster shot; no, guess what you loose your vaccination status unless you do. Oh suffered a vaccine induced injury and cannot get the second or booster; oh too bad find another job. Think before your speak about future repercussions.
 
You can only make a decision for yourself and anyone unable to do so under your care, making or imposing or coercing a decision onto others is criminal.
Nobody is "forcing" anyone to get vaccinated

But.. institutions, private business, the US Military as whole countries are requiring vaccination to go there...

Delta Airlines is waffling a little, they will allow unvaccinated employees, but they pay a $200 a month premium.

It's well time the tables turn, don't want to be vaccinated? you can just stay home
 
Your last two points are invalid

Yes, they can carry the viral load and spread it...
Yes, they can get sick
Hospitalized are mere fractions compared to the unvaccinated hospitalization and death rate


Studies have shown that you are 15-20X more likely to die if hospitalized and unvaccinated.
You do understand that CDC does not list you as fully vaccinated until day 14 of your second shot right. CDC puts single jabbed day 0-13 in the unvaccinated group.

Most of the treatment methods for this in hospitals will not improve most of the infected regardless of vaccinated or not.
 
You do understand that CDC does not list you as fully vaccinated until day 14 of your second shot right. CDC puts single jabbed day 0-13 in the unvaccinated group.

Most of the treatment methods for this in hospitals will not improve most of the infected regardless of vaccinated or not.
Truth be told, EVERYONE has had access to vaccines in the US for at least 60 days... if you waited, you took a risk with your health and potentially paid a price. Much like the unvaccinated turning up at the hospital sick and asking to get the shot.

The treatment has dramatically improved, your chances of dying today, even if unvaccinated, are far better than they were a year ago
 
Nobody is "forcing" anyone to get vaccinated

But.. institutions, private business, the US Military as whole countries are requiring vaccination to go there...

Delta Airlines is waffling a little, they will allow unvaccinated employees, but they pay a $200 a month premium.

It's well time the tables turn, don't want to be vaccinated? you can just stay home
You do understand the definition of coercion, by painting people into a corner either to get what you want or loose your job is by definition “forcing”.

Good.. then get the damned booster
If you are unable due to a prior vaccine induced injury you cannot.

Good.. then get the damned booster
If you are unable due to a prior vaccine induced injury you cannot.
 
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