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Apple Expands Vision Pro Test Labs to New York City and Sydney

I still struggle to see how they are going to convince your normal customer to buy one.
Right now, even if it was launching at $500, whilst they would sell millions most people simply won't want something like chunky strapped to their face with a short battery life and can't move around much.
It's a cool entertainment device, and there are interesting things you can do, but I just don't buy that with the form factors, battery life, restrictions in place there is a mass market for many many many years yet.
And I'm speaking as someone who loves VR.
It's almost impossible to convince people with a TV, Smartphone, computer/Laptop that they need this.
 
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Good to know. Expecting to hear more about Vision Pro closer to launch.
 
Piggie said:
I still struggle to see how they are going to convince your normal customer to buy one.
It's almost impossible to convince people with a TV, Smartphone, computer/Laptop that they need this.
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This is going to be Apple's equivalent of a 3DTV. People bought them. Some people watched 3D BluRays on them. Then everyone just got sick of having to wear the dumb glasses to watch the TV.

Some people will buy this thing. They'll post videos of them using it all over social media to justify their purchase. Then they'll realise that they don't need to wear it to see their Macbook screen in virtual 3D space, when they can just use their regular eyeballs to look at their macbook screen in actual 3D space.

The main thing that everyone is ignoring, is that this is a completely passive consumption device that you control with pinching and talking to Siri. Good luck ever being productive with it.

You're still going to need controllers to play games. You're still going to need a physical keyboard with tactile feedback to be productive in a work environment. Unless you're into finger painting, you're still going to need a physical pencil or mouse to do any pixel-based photo editing or illustration work. Otherwise it will be like only using the touch bar for photoshop - if the touch bar were just a virtual image floating in mid air.

Just like the iPad was a glorified eBook reader until they released keyboards and the pencil, this is going to be a completely passive consumption device, or a very, very expensive additional monitor for your macbook.
 
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R2DHue said:
Maybe it will be used only by professionals (doctors and surgeons, hospitals, real estate, enterprise corporation sales, universities) initially, then costs will come down so it becomes affordable by consumers for mass consumption.
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doctors and surgeons, hospitals, that didn't seem possible from the early spring 2023 medical show I attended. No signs of this.
 
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moxxham said:
I hope this is a good sign for an Australian release date in 2024, and not 2025 or later. Vision Pro is probably the most excited I’ve ever been for an Apple product.
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True. I think this hints that Australia will be part of the "more countries later in 2024" lineup.

I wonder if that means Apple is confident they can ramp up supplies for an international launch. Or maybe the low production issues were exaggerated? Idk.
 
Piggie said:
I still struggle to see how they are going to convince your normal customer to buy one.
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If only 1% of all millionaires worldwide buy a Vision Pro, Apple would still sell 600,000 units. So they may not need “normal” customers for a while.
 
wikiverse said:
This is going to be Apple's equivalent of a 3DTV. People bought them. Some people watched 3D BluRays on them. Then everyone just got sick of having to wear the dumb glasses to watch the TV.

Some people will buy this thing. They'll post videos of them using it all over social media to justify their purchase. Then they'll realise that they don't need to wear it to see their Macbook screen in virtual 3D space, when they can just use their regular eyeballs to look at their macbook screen in actual 3D space.

The main thing that everyone is ignoring, is that this is a completely passive consumption device that you control with pinching and talking to Siri. Good luck ever being productive with it.

You're still going to need controllers to play games. You're still going to need a physical keyboard with tactile feedback to be productive in a work environment. Unless you're into finger painting, you're still going to need a physical pencil or mouse to do any pixel-based photo editing or illustration work. Otherwise it will be like only using the touch bar for photoshop - if the touch bar were just a virtual image floating in mid air.

Just like the iPad was a glorified eBook reader until they released keyboards and the pencil, this is going to be a completely passive consumption device, or a very, very expensive additional monitor for your macbook.
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Tim Cook’s Newton.
 
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R2DHue said:
I disagree.

It’s only irrelevant and no one cares because of the disappointing, underwhelming products that are out there…

The Apple Vision Pro is different — a game changer. Just like the 2007 iPhone was a game changer — and was also a first.

This is no piece of “Metaverse” junk. The only thing “Metaverse” demos have succeeded in doing so far is creeping people out.

No wonder consumers are bored with the whole idea. The Apple Vision Pro product is breathtaking (if it lives up to the demo videos).

Apple will (as per usual) make the product category relevant and exciting if they succeed in marketing what they’ve so far revealed — before someone markets something truly comparable first. (Nothing out there is close to comparable so far.)

Maybe it will be used only by professionals (doctors and surgeons, hospitals, real estate, enterprise corporation sales, universities) initially, then costs will come down so it becomes affordable by consumers for mass consumption.

But Apple has to get on the historical record and be known for being FIRST.

After someone else beats you to it, you can never be first. Physics doesn’t work that way.
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VP isn’t a “first.” That’s Apple marketing.

And as far as the market it targets? It’s aimed at consumers, not businesses. This is NOT an enterprise product.
 
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Born Again said:
He’s the main man. He tested this device and knows better than all of us what to expect. Watch it
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All due respect That’s still no! why would I bother watching another YouTuber clamor about the same information over and over again the others are staying. YouTube is forcing us to buy premium so creators can get paid I’m not gonna waste my time watching garbage. I have a better use of my YouTube time doesn’t Needs membership for the view YouTube. Without commercials. Now that advertising blockers are totally banned from YouTube. They made things worse. What this looks like that you’re just promoting this channel. Which I can care less about. my YouTube time now it’s become more precious because of forcing upon us just to buy YouTube premium.
 
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you know.. For the first time I'm actually willing to pay $2k maybe $3k for a high end VR from Apple. I just picked up the Quest 3 as my first VR kit. Meta is a hot mess. Sad to say. The rest of the VR games I play have been really high end almost 4k content. I'm super excited because I know inside Apple will take this seriously and will use the best parts
 
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you know.. For the first time I'm actually willing to pay $2k maybe $3k for a high end VR from Apple. I just picked up the Quest 3 as my first VR kit. Meta is a hot mess. Sad to say. The rest of the VR games I play have been really high end almost 4k content. I'm super excited because I know inside Apple will take this seriously and will use the best parts
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You don't think that they took this brand new revolutionary new product seriously as well?

A early sneak peek at a new product coming soon.
Sound familiar ;)


 
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Surf Monkey said:
VP isn’t a “first.” That’s Apple marketing.

And as far as the market it targets? It’s aimed at consumers, not businesses. This is NOT an enterprise product.
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WRONG.

Macintosh was a first.

iMac was a first.

iTunes was a first.

iPod was a first.

iPhone was a first.

iPad was a first.

Apple Vision Pro is a first.

All firsts (except if you’re pedantic).

In Product Marketing, “The perception is the reality.” 🤣
 
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No Sh`T. As I said, I went to a medical examination recently and there are no indications of this. 5 years or more.
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You went to a “medical examination recently” or a “medical show”…?

What exactly are you trying to flex here, doc? A colonoscopy? A snake oil presentation?
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R2DHue said:
WRONG.

Macintosh was a first.

iMac was a first.

iTunes was a first.

iPod was a first.

iPhone was a first.

iPad was a first.

Apple Vision Pro is a first.

All firsts (except if you’re pedantic).

In Product Marketing, “The perception is the reality.” 🤣
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None of those products was the first such product to market. None of them. Pedantry has nothing to do with it. Simple facts do.
 
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R2DHue said:
WRONG.

Macintosh was a first. - Except Xerox released a GUI first, and Unix was running on other computers.

iMac was a first.

iTunes was a first.

iPod was a first.

iPhone was a first.

iPad was a first.

Apple Vision Pro is a first.

All firsts (except if you’re pedantic).

In Product Marketing, “The perception is the reality.” 🤣
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And Benjamin Franklin discovered electricity, so Apple’s just ripping off Ben Franklin.

And Xerox PARC only ripped off Douglas Engelbart at the Stanford Research Institute in 1970, except that Engelbart just ripped off Ted Nelson at Brown University in 1965 — except Ted Nelson just ripped off Vannevar Bush at MIT in 1945.

But even they all just ripped off William Bradford Shockley Jr., at Bell Labs (AT&T) in the 1940s, so none of them truly invented a darn thing!

Then, after all that, in 1989 at CERN, so-called WWW inventor Sir Tim Berners-Lee just ripped off Apple’s Bill Atkinson who invented HyperCard following an LSD trip in 1987.

And even before that, it was God Who made this all possible only because He invented the big bang, and, and…

You can play “infinite regress/reductio ad absurdum” for the rest of your entire lifespan and you’d still not be finished.

Relatively esoteric or obscure facts carry no meaningful weight unless they’re known by a critical mass of people on earth.

Apple is widely perceived and credited as the inventor of the first, mass market, commercially successful, mouse-driven personal computer that featured a complete, mature “WIMPS” Graphical User Interface instead of the textual interface of all personal computers that preceded it.

And Microsoft didn’t create Windows or even steal it from Xerox, they stole the Macintosh User Interface from Apple.

“That's not what a Mac does. I want Mac on the PC, I want Mac on the PC!”​
— Bill Gates, 1985​

And Microsoft kept on copying the Mac with every new Mac operation system iteration:

“To see tomorrow's PC, look at today's Macintosh.”​
— BYTE magazine, October 1994​

But, ultimately, the problem is you didn’t read or understand or accept,

the last line of my post.

There’s nothing you can do about it and it’s true.
 
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None of those products was the first such product to market. None of them. Pedantry has nothing to do with it. Simple facts do.
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Nope.

Pedantry.

Pure Pedantry.

Obscure facts are definitionally obscure.

“The Perception is the reality.”
 
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