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I’m generally uninterested about AI but I’ll give this a try, the promise of an assistant you can actually talk to like a person IS appealing at least a little
 
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I'm in the UK too and, moving closer to the topic of this thread (Siri), as a smart speaker enthusiast one thing I can't resist mentioning is just how bad Alexa is in terms of knowing what is around it even in a relatively big (in terms of GDP) country like the UK.

I currently have both Google and Amazon smart speakers in quite a few rooms in my home. I use Alexa because it hears me better when speaking softly or when there is background noise and I use Alexa because for most stuff beyond turning devices on and off Google gives noticeably better answers.

As an example of Alexa's failings a new branch of Lidl opened about 100 metres from where I live. Google detected the new branch within about 24 hours and when I asked "What time does Lidl close today?" it would answer "Lidl at <the correct address> closes at <whenever>" whereas for 6 months after the new branch opened Alexa would continue to say "Lidl at <a branch about 3 km away> closes at <whenever>". It took Alexa a full 6 months before it finally realised that my closest Lidl was about 100 metres away.

I use my smart speakers quite a lot for distances, walking times, public transport timetables and opening/closing hours. That's why I'm somewhat obsessed with the quality of the ground truth in the various mapping apps because for my use cases it's quite a big part of how satisfactory my experiences are with my smart speakers.

I would dearly love to consolidate everything to just HomePods but I need to be convinced that (a) they will hear me and respond (and not false-respond) to the wake word as well as Echo devices do and also that Siri, presumably with the aid of Apple Maps ground truth, is at least as good as Google Assistant when it comes to local UK knowledge.

Since I was whittering on about Amazon and Google's responses to shop opening hours, ignoring the issues with Alexa's local knowledge there's another little thing that, when added to lots of other little things, really makes a difference to how good the responses from a smart assistant feel.

If you ask Alexa "When does Lidl close?" it's actual response is "Lidl at <address> is open from <opening-time> to <closing-time> today" whereas if you ask Google Assistant (in a Nest smart speaker) that exact same question it answers "Lidl at <address> closes at <closing-time> today" or, if that closing time is within an hour of the current time, it replies "Lidl at <address> closes in <x> minutes". It's such a nice extra touch that makes me feel that Google Assistant actually took the time to fully understand what I was asking and give me the direct answer vs Alexa doing something closer to a keyword search and quick lookup without actually trying to fully tailor the answer to the question. That query is one of the first things that I'll be giving to the new hopefully improved Siri to see how it does.

That behaviour has nothing to do with LLMs by the way. I've been impressed with Google Assistant doing stuff like that since I bought my first Google smart speaker in 2018.
Thanks for the info!

Do you have Gemini in your nest smart speaker yet? If so, you've got a huge upgrade.
 
So basically nothing has changed about how this was going to work following the joint Apple/Google announcement a week or two ago, but this statement was necessary because Mark Gurman posted an unsubstantiated rumor about this feature running on Google servers in his newsletter over the weekend.
Which could very well still be the case such is Apple's compulsive lying with regards to their AI strategy and endeavours for nearly three years now. That report from Gurman came from someone with inside knowledge. All Apple's buzz words, marketing speak and high level reputation preservation fail to provide the hard details on how everything will work. And they've even said they won't discuss any of their arrangements with Google. That speaks volumes.
 
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I think Apple will make every effort to protect privacy.
But I think if Google found an opportunity to get access to data, it would.
True on both counts-- except that Google is not incentivized to compromise Apple's data simply because A) it would ruin the relationship B) it would make their cloud / Gemini services look REALLY bad to other potential customers.
 
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True on both counts-- except that Google is not incentivized to compromise Apple's data simply because A) it would ruin the relationship B) it would make their cloud / Gemini services look REALLY bad to other potential customers.
True, if they got caught.
 
If Apple partnered with Google to use Gemini for its Siri evolution, does that mean we will get Google AI Pro for free (normally $20/month)?

Or will our Siri functionality, which will rely on Google's Gemini, be somewhat handicapped if we don't pay for Google AI Pro?

I think it's a fair question.
 
True, if they got caught.
If it's some rogue Google employees snooping on data (don't even know if that's possible with Apple's arrangement), that would not surprise me. But Google would be taking quite a risk if they were to intentionally suck up user info through the arrangement. I'm sure Apple audits the privacy during a deal like that...
 
If Apple partnered with Google to use Gemini for its Siri evolution, does that mean we will get Google AI Pro for free (normally $20/month)?

Or will our Siri functionality, which will rely on Google's Gemini, be somewhat handicapped if we don't pay for Google AI Pro?

I think it's a fair question.
I can't possibly see how Google AI Pro will be free. Why would it be?
 
If it's some rogue Google employees snooping on data (don't even know if that's possible with Apple's arrangement), that would not surprise me. But Google would be taking quite a risk if they were to intentionally suck up user info through the arrangement. I'm sure Apple audits the privacy during a deal like that...
If the Google AI is running on Private Cloud Compute, there really isn't a place for anyone to snoop. Data is encrypted in transit. Nothing is written to disk. Its designed to be private and to prevent any snooping.
 
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If the Google AI is running on Private Cloud Compute, there really isn't a place for anyone to snoop. Data is encrypted in transit. Nothing is written to disk. Its designed to be private and to prevent any snooping.
That’s what I figured but not knowing all the details of how it will work, I was giving allowances since it will be a custom arrangement. Thanks for reiterating!
 
That’s what I figured but not knowing all the details of how it will work, I was giving allowances since it will be a custom arrangement. Thanks for reiterating!

Here is a description of Apple's Private Cloud Compute. We are are told that the new AI models will run both on device and on these PCC servers.

Here is a much more in-depth security guide for PCC if you really want to dig into the details.
 
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Here is a description of Apple's Private Cloud Compute. We are are told that the new AI models will run both on device and on these PCC servers.

Here is a much more in-depth security guide for PCC if you really want to dig into the details.
Good info, thanks!
 
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