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Not in terms of on-device processing. I believe Apple is ahead there which is great for privacy and security.
On device processing is meaningless to me. Google's offerings are server-side therefore doesn't need custom hardware, which is great for equity of access. There are billions of people around the world who can't afford the latest and greatest, at least someone is giving them new features.
 
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will it recognize ugly people, like me, though? :p
That leads to another question: Can we break out phones if we're TOO ugly? Would the machine learning possibly, say, try to take over the world, as a sort of punishment for having to view such an unsightly homosapien?
 
On device processing is meaningless to me. Google's offerings are server-side therefore doesn't need custom hardware, which is great for equity of access. There are billions of people around the world who can't afford the latest and greatest, at least someone is giving them new features.
You might speak for billions of users shopping for price but you don't speak for their need for privacy and security. Some things are more important than retail price, even to those that cannot afford it.
 
You might speak for billions of users shopping for price but you don't speak for their need for privacy and security. Some things are more important than retail price, even to those that cannot afford it.
So it's better, that everone may capture pics of you on vacation and take this ones for his onw AI training? Do you have anywhere some public accessible pics of you? If yes... YT already shows sith even with faking your own face and voice of random people for AI fakes... crazy. Therefore I trust more a big, global player like Google or Apple than posting my ... on every platform like IG, YT, TT, etc.
 
Definitely, it is. Had 7TB pic/videos at Google and migrated to Apple this year (had to delete many 4K videos to fit the 2TB). But the people recognition is the best at Google. Example: we made some pics with our bike crew.
- First with helmets on
- Second without helmets
- third from back

it scanned the faces of the pic without helmets and was able to link the other ones (with helmets on and back view) to the correct persons (probably by the outfit, colors etc). This was pretty impressive, like keep tracking my child from birth till her 12th birthday. Glad to here that at least the last one seems to get better with iOS 15
I just compared iOS 15 on my iphone 7 to iOS 14.7 on my iphone 11 and the recognition is much, much better. I was viewing photos of my son using the same Photos library, and iOS 15 Photos was able to see many more photos of my son compared to iOS 14.7. In particular, partially obscured photos and photos where he was facing away from the camera were recognized much more frequently.
 
Really wish there was the ability to opt out of this. I don't want it or need it, and it's kinda creepy. Totally understand how some people love this feature, it's just not for me.
 
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You might speak for billions of users shopping for price but you don't speak for their need for privacy and security. Some things are more important than retail price, even to those that cannot afford it.
funny how privacy and security only became important once apple invested hundreds of millions in to marketing

if you really cared about privacy, you wouldn't be using any sort of internet device.
 
It does work really well. It seems to be close to Google's to the point I can't tell which one is better. If only Apple finally discovered the concept of family and provided a viable solution for storing photos from many users in the same collection.
Great idea! Family member can already share iCloud storage so why not Family albums?
 
Y’all giving your photos to google. Good luck with that. iPhone is using incredible tech on device. Google is going to data centers for processing. No thanks.
My personal info, like my photo, my locations or my files, will never go to Google servers, or Facebook for that matter.
 
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funny how privacy and security only became important once apple invested hundreds of millions in to marketing

if you really cared about privacy, you wouldn't be using any sort of internet device.
I believe your thinking is backward. Many people always cared about privacy and security. They just didn't have a solid choice to choose from before.
 
I have mixed feelings about this.

No doubt it is cool and useful for those who will take advantage of these capabilities in keeping track of their photo libraries, things like that.

At the same time the surveillance aspects of this technology are very worrying, thinking especially at how certain other countries seem to be using it (looking at you, China).
This processing is being done entirely on-device. Meaning it’s not sending the data to China.
 
funny how privacy and security only became important once apple invested hundreds of millions in to marketing

if you really cared about privacy, you wouldn't be using any sort of internet device.
No need to be an extremist. I work in security but I'm not a hermit. I understand that there are risks, tradeoffs and degrees of security so I make a choice based upon many factors. You only see the marketing angle which makes sense because you're the product.
 
NSA is far ahead of China in any of the surveillance aspects. Also, NSA monitors every person in the world, while China only monitors Chinese citizens.
no disagreement with you on that point
This is being done on-device, not sure how there's any significant surveillance aspect.

This processing is being done entirely on-device. Meaning it’s not sending the data to China.

Well, I should have been more clear on the point I was trying to make, which was simply that face recognition technology in general is being used in various ways, not simply by Apple. I'm not suggesting that Apple is surveilling its users, or sending data to anyone else.

It is an example of a technology that has useful applications, and other applications that are not as benign.
 
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I have been looking for a multi platform self hosted photo library tool for years with good facial recognition. While Photos isn’t multi platform im really amazed at how good the object and face recognition is. It’s not at googles level but it’s a solid second best and it’s doing it on a cell phone.
What makes Google better? I'm actually shocked at how well Apple works. Maybe you can post some examples that show what you mean.
 
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When you sync with your computer it should pass all this computational data back to your computer for the photos app, instead of doing it all over again on the computer.

Also the problem with all this is I don’t keep every single photo I own on my phone, I sybc it down to my computer and remove it from my device. The algorithm for each phase should still be stored on the phone for future photos.
 
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If only it tried to recognize more than a handful of persons... In ios12, 13, 14 it only recognizes about 30 persons and the rest I have to manually identify them 1 by 1. In google, the same collection includes hundreds of persons. Is a waste of CPU resources the photos app in my opinion, super frustrating that it has never picked up more persons automatically. There is no reason to not recognize them, I mean, they are perfectly clear and recognizable photos, but my iphones "just dont work", no way to force it to recognize more persons. Even on my mac the ammount of persons attempted to be recognized is a tiny fraction, like 30 persons out of hundreds. Anyone has this problem?
 
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I'd also imagine there's some fuzzy matching involved based on other photos' time and location stamps; for example, if I took a photo of my mom at 1:15pm with no other people in the shot, then have a partially-obscured photo of a female with the same hair color at 1:16pm at the same location, it's probably probably a safe guess they're the same person.

Can't wait to see this stuff in action -- on-device machine learning like this always amazes me.
 
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I'd also imagine there's some fuzzy matching involved based on other photos' time and location stamps; for example, if I took a photo of my mom at 1:15pm with no other people in the shot, then have a partially-obscured photo of a female with the same hair color at 1:16pm at the same location, it's probably probably a safe guess they're the same person.

Can't wait to see this stuff in action -- on-device machine learning like this always amazes me.
I already love this feature on Google Photos. This is absolutely amazing when looking for people... e.g. Honey + Bali + Vulcano + Sunrise and I can find pics of my wife on the volcano at sunrise - from back or front view - doesn't matter. THIS is awesome.
 
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Y’all giving your photos to google. Good luck with that. iPhone is using incredible tech on device. Google is going to data centers
Y’all giving your photos to google. Good luck with that. iPhone is using incredible tech on device. Google is going to data centers for processing. No thanks.
Agreed, Apple works on your photos on your device while Google uploads them to their servers. Interesting article here on the subject


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Does Google's Face recognition work on device? or does it get send to a server for processing?
NSA is far ahead of China in any of the surveillance aspects. Also, NSA monitors every person in the world, while China only monitors Chinese citizens.
You really should consider all US government surveillance when comparing US and Chinese activities I this area. The NSA is not the only security agency spying on people for the US government. As I recall, there were 17 security agencies in the US government surveillance agencies that weighed in on Russia meddling in the election. I also seem to recall congressional testimony back in 2015 or 2016 about that used the word "unwittingly" to describe the clandestine and internal US government surveillance state. Government agencies are also not the only entities involved in surveillance and information gathering, the products of which are near perfectly fungible.
 
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