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Apple Explains Why iPads Don't Just Run macOS
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This fever dream about getting rid of the Mac is hilarious. On one hand, iPads should run Mac OS because the hardware is capable on the Pro line. OTOH, only Macs can run Xcode. What may seem arbitrary to some is stated purpose to others. And it will probably stay that way for at least the next decade. Just because the SUV is the most popular car style in America doesn't mean Ford will stop making F-150s. Please get a grip.
When I hear this excitement about Stage Manager I hope "Displays have same Spaces" will stay around in MacOS 26.
I don’t know any other way how to always have the corresponding tool windows with their apps on the second and third screen.
I don’t know any other way how to always have the corresponding tool windows with their apps on the second and third screen.
It's not a dream of mine.
What are you talking about?
Also, please don't post with a tone telling people to "get a grip"
It's rude and condescending.
Windows still doesn’t have it right. Windows 8 was far FAR better for touch than 10/11 is now. I have a hard time using touch with 10/11 so I just never do.
iPad is still the dominant tablet after 15 years without being able to install software from anywhere + being sandboxed.
using non touch features on a touch first device doesn't make sense.
Finder is terrible. Files on the iPad is almost exactly the same thing. Neither are particularly useful. Files on the iPad is infinitely better then it’s ever been. Finder on the Mac has remained crap for many years.
For what? We don’t distinguish between MacBook Pro and MacBook Air so wtf is the logic with distinguishing between iPad Pro and iPad Air?
If you're gonna say "It's been the Tim Cook dream for about a decade now" you better have some documented proof. Don't tell me I'm condescending when you're passing off conjecture as fact.
You mean like hovering over these so they expand in size so you can click on them with a pointing device, as in iPadOS 26?
I apologize, but I don't have a signed letter from Tim for you.
And I will tell you're being rude and condescending when you tell another poster to "get a grip"
Please use some polite etiquette.
I think Apple needs to just make a new product line called the Studio, like
iPad Studio - basically just iPad Pro but with macOS
MacBook Studio - MacBook Pro with Touch/Apple Pencil support, similar to the Surface Laptop Studio
iMac Studio - iMac Pro with Touch/Apple Pencil support, similar to the Surface Desktop Studio
I know people will say just get the Surface. I did used to have Surface Pro and Surfacebook but I so much prefer macOS lol.
iPad Studio - basically just iPad Pro but with macOS
MacBook Studio - MacBook Pro with Touch/Apple Pencil support, similar to the Surface Laptop Studio
iMac Studio - iMac Pro with Touch/Apple Pencil support, similar to the Surface Desktop Studio
I know people will say just get the Surface. I did used to have Surface Pro and Surfacebook but I so much prefer macOS lol.
Can you imagine the uproar if this interface was added to the Mac, requiring two clicks. There is already uproar when anything ipadesque is added. I welcome newer better Mac like features on the iPad, but there isn’t any way I want to two lines to be merged so that the run the same OS. That will result in a dumbing down of macOS made for traditional systems.You mean like hovering over these so they expand in size so you can click on them with a pointing device, as in iPadOS 26?
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I would appreciate touch and cellular in a Mac, and I would like iPadOS to become more and more like macOS. I don’t want them to be merged though.
No im with the person. I have never seen or heard one thing from Tim that even HINTS that his dream is to get rid of the macOS platform.
No it’s been proven that Apple gambled with the directions of desktops in 2013 with the trash can and Apple was very not happy with Intel since Skylake.
Yeah, and a lot of us just doesn't want to travel two ****ing device... The people like you keeps this money machine alive.
turbineseaplane seems to have a very anti-Tim Cook agenda. That's fine, we can debate that. Cook's not a product visionary and never claimed to be one. But to claim that Cook has been trying to kill the Mac for a decade is borderline crazy. If you look back in the early teens, the iPad was the new hotness. The industry was trending towards more tablets and thin-and-light laptops. It appeared that maybe desktops would do the same. Then in the back of that decade something happened. Intel ran into a brick wall developing chips. Apple Silicon grew to usurp Intel. And even then Apple diversified its chip portfolio for certain use cases. Can you imagine a M4 Max or M3 Ultra in something the size of an iPad? It would be impossible due to the cooling required. Apple (led by Cook) saw that and adjusted, as any well-run company and CEO should do. The really powerful chips go into Macs. The efficient, power-sipping chips go into iPad and iPhones. The truck and car analogy still lives.
Blame the hockey puck mouse.😏
The only good thing I can say about that mouse was it helped with learning the Tiger Claw kung fu.😁
macOS is far more complex, and would have been even more so if they had modernized it with all its former built-in server parts and produced a professional suite of server tools which was the original objective after the us at NeXT merged with Apple.
The lack of EOF (standard and enterprise), PDO, D'OLE (which would have evolved to interface with Microsoft Services), a modern Mach microkernel instead of XNU, fully modern ObjC/up-to -date Cocoa with Swift as a training functional language later as co-equal, etc.
Lots of OS X features were halted to focus on iOS. When you do that personnel leave to work elsewhere on advanced kernels, operating systems, network protocols, etc.
At the time Apple paired down out of necessity. Now, they have no excuses. They need a far more robust open standards subsystem for services standards and extended developer language options because AI and HPC are massively in demand and 80%+ use fortran, and will never use Swift.
Fortran is king for scientific computation modeling. Nothing touches it. It's not an application, user space language. What it is exactly what they designed it to do: be the fastest, most scalable and precise mathematical processing language, bar none.
LLNL, CERN, all National Labs nationally and around the globe are steeped in Fortran. Nvidia, AMD, Intel, LLNL are the drivers behind LLVM Flang. All their AI initiatives and HPC are driven by it. Open AI: same, etc.
Apple should develop a full API to expose Metal ML and more to leverage it. As of now, Scientists on macOS need to use MacPorts and Home Brew to install it.
One can hope Apple develops tools to aide in its overall development within their extended AI vision.
AMD showed their MI350/355 and MI400 with their data center AIO solution, Helios in 2026, which includes UALINK (https://ualinkconsortium.org/boardofdirectors/) which Apple has joined as a Director level contributor.
Ultra Ethernet will be next, both built into Helios. OpenAI made it clear they're all in on Epyc, MI latest and soon Helios as they also see open standards and not closed standards as their future--a shot at Nvidia.
UALINK does not include Nvidia.
I expect Apple will have Helios AIO in-house to train models to optimize along side their M Series processor designs.
Helios includes 72 MI400 series UDNA Instinct inference processors.
MI400: See attached slide
Apple will need these as they write their custom Fortran optimized stacks for the A series and M series processors.
The lack of EOF (standard and enterprise), PDO, D'OLE (which would have evolved to interface with Microsoft Services), a modern Mach microkernel instead of XNU, fully modern ObjC/up-to -date Cocoa with Swift as a training functional language later as co-equal, etc.
Lots of OS X features were halted to focus on iOS. When you do that personnel leave to work elsewhere on advanced kernels, operating systems, network protocols, etc.
At the time Apple paired down out of necessity. Now, they have no excuses. They need a far more robust open standards subsystem for services standards and extended developer language options because AI and HPC are massively in demand and 80%+ use fortran, and will never use Swift.
Fortran is king for scientific computation modeling. Nothing touches it. It's not an application, user space language. What it is exactly what they designed it to do: be the fastest, most scalable and precise mathematical processing language, bar none.
LLNL, CERN, all National Labs nationally and around the globe are steeped in Fortran. Nvidia, AMD, Intel, LLNL are the drivers behind LLVM Flang. All their AI initiatives and HPC are driven by it. Open AI: same, etc.
Apple should develop a full API to expose Metal ML and more to leverage it. As of now, Scientists on macOS need to use MacPorts and Home Brew to install it.
One can hope Apple develops tools to aide in its overall development within their extended AI vision.
AMD showed their MI350/355 and MI400 with their data center AIO solution, Helios in 2026, which includes UALINK (https://ualinkconsortium.org/boardofdirectors/) which Apple has joined as a Director level contributor.
Ultra Ethernet will be next, both built into Helios. OpenAI made it clear they're all in on Epyc, MI latest and soon Helios as they also see open standards and not closed standards as their future--a shot at Nvidia.
UALINK does not include Nvidia.
I expect Apple will have Helios AIO in-house to train models to optimize along side their M Series processor designs.
Helios includes 72 MI400 series UDNA Instinct inference processors.
MI400: See attached slide
Apple will need these as they write their custom Fortran optimized stacks for the A series and M series processors.
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Perhaps this is about money. Certainly lots of anti-customer decisions are driven by that. It’s why antitrust type laws exist in the first place.
But an iPad Pro with keyboard costs more than a MacBook Air. So it’s not hardware. There may be a case for the apps. But it’s hard to say that would really happen.
I only see 2 reasons.
1. Apple is first (and last) a consumer grade company. A (traditional) computer regardless of the window manager is a complete paradigm shift from the “big phone” that is fundamentally an iPad.
This is no small deal. Apple sells tens of millions of devices every year to people that are intellectually incapable of using a computer. (Dispute if you feel the need but deep down you know it is true).
So alienating customers is a very big deal. Doing the tedium and fiddling that is the normal care and feeding of Android is trivial compared to using a computer. Who hasn’t had a parent or friend ask for help with their slow computer and found 100 programs open, viruses, and browser plug-ins galore.
Of course Occum’s razor must not be denied too. Apple does enjoy being the gatekeeper for what information their customers may access and what opinions they are allowed to express.
Likely the real metric is 55% / 45%. I wouldn’t hazard to guess which reason is which excuse.
I would just submit if they were serious about customer service they would let you run either OS by choice. Possibly even in a VM. Because when you spend several generations claiming your tablet is faster than 80% of the PCs on the market people tend to notice it could certainly do more than you are allowing them to do.
But an iPad Pro with keyboard costs more than a MacBook Air. So it’s not hardware. There may be a case for the apps. But it’s hard to say that would really happen.
I only see 2 reasons.
1. Apple is first (and last) a consumer grade company. A (traditional) computer regardless of the window manager is a complete paradigm shift from the “big phone” that is fundamentally an iPad.
This is no small deal. Apple sells tens of millions of devices every year to people that are intellectually incapable of using a computer. (Dispute if you feel the need but deep down you know it is true).
So alienating customers is a very big deal. Doing the tedium and fiddling that is the normal care and feeding of Android is trivial compared to using a computer. Who hasn’t had a parent or friend ask for help with their slow computer and found 100 programs open, viruses, and browser plug-ins galore.
Of course Occum’s razor must not be denied too. Apple does enjoy being the gatekeeper for what information their customers may access and what opinions they are allowed to express.
Likely the real metric is 55% / 45%. I wouldn’t hazard to guess which reason is which excuse.
I would just submit if they were serious about customer service they would let you run either OS by choice. Possibly even in a VM. Because when you spend several generations claiming your tablet is faster than 80% of the PCs on the market people tend to notice it could certainly do more than you are allowing them to do.
I would absolutely love to have an iPad that would dual boot MacOS and iPad OS, even if it meant booting out of iPad OS.
The iPad is fantastic at what it does, but if I am travelling for a couple of days I am scared to rely on it fully, there is some apps for work that are MacOS only and as a developer I need to compile the apps. I really think the experience would be lack-lustre compare to a MacBook but for those simple, Boot MacOS, fix issue, Boot iPad OS, I would be SOOO happy to just carry my iPad everywhere.
The iPad is fantastic at what it does, but if I am travelling for a couple of days I am scared to rely on it fully, there is some apps for work that are MacOS only and as a developer I need to compile the apps. I really think the experience would be lack-lustre compare to a MacBook but for those simple, Boot MacOS, fix issue, Boot iPad OS, I would be SOOO happy to just carry my iPad everywhere.