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That does not explain why iphones that dont support apple intelligence get ios 27 anyway - u should literally just do the same on these models and say that siri ai is not supported on them
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Apple Explains Why watchOS 27 Drops Support for So Many Models
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By that logic shouldn’t they drop iOS 27 support for iphone 15 and earlier since they can’t run Siri Ai?
I don’t need Siri nor AI.
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I don’t need to use AI to cheat.
How about an option to not install these rubbish so that more devices are supported.
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I don’t need to use AI to cheat.
How about an option to not install these rubbish so that more devices are supported.
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Johnny907
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Because:
1) Money
2) 3 generations of AW running essentially the same SoC due to point 1.
Hey Cait and David: my iPhone 14 can’t run any AI junk, just like my series 8, yet it is still getting a version of iOS 27 and so will benefit from the other quality of life improvements u actually care about. Wanna explain THAT?
1) Money
2) 3 generations of AW running essentially the same SoC due to point 1.
Hey Cait and David: my iPhone 14 can’t run any AI junk, just like my series 8, yet it is still getting a version of iOS 27 and so will benefit from the other quality of life improvements u actually care about. Wanna explain THAT?
Right. My Garmin Epix has *two weeks* of battery time. After two Apple watches, I couldn't stomach recharging every 10hours anymore. Some alternatives provide better (imho) value... Be a wise shopper.
I've had Apple Watches since they launched in 2015 and I think this finally put me off of getting a new one. I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a disposable watch anymore. Apple could've just disabled a few features and released this to Series 8, they've done that with phones before.
I don’t really agree for phones, tablets, or computers, but absolutely for watches.
You can still pair an Apple Watch series 0 stuck on like watchOS 4 to an iPhone 17 Pro running iOS 27, they aren’t obsolete.
I still know people regularly using Series 5s that haven’t received updates in a long time, they still work fine. Sleep tracking, health tracking, heart rate monitoring, all still work perfectly.
They are like iPod classics or Nanos, those also stopped receiving software updates about a year after they released, and yet you can still use them to this day. It’s not the same as a phone or computer.
in other words, they want you to upgrade and buy a NEW watch, which alot of people will probably do. It's their marketing hard at work. Just a way to squeeze more profit is all this comes down to, but they'll never admit that
I got AppleCare+ on a Day 1 AW4. The only time AC+ actually paid off for me for any Apple device ever.
The unit I got had a defective display with some broken pixels right out of the box. I'd have exchanged it at a store right away, but none of the stores were getting inventory and it looked like it might be weeks before they'd have any -- at which point the return/exchange window would have passed and it'd have to be replaced as a warranty defect, anyway.
I called and spoke with Apple, and they were able to do an advance replacement where they ship the replacement watch first, FedEx two-day, because I had AC+. It came from China just like launch day devices do. (The product was so new and inventory so constrained that there were no refurbs in circulation yet.)
Since then, I've had AC+ on a variety of devices, but more and more I stopped getting it. The "last nail in the coffin" for me was when they changed the accidental damage screen replacement program from 3 times max to "unlimited," but you no longer get to use discretion -- they decide if your damage is enough to let you pay to have it repaired. I had an iPhone that my spouse had scratched while traveling. I brought it in, expecting that I could pay the deductible and get the screen replaced, as it was accidental damage. The employee refused to do it. It was at that time that I learned about the policy change with AC+. Since then, I've refused to buy AC+. What good is it if you pay extra up front, are willing to pay the deductible for accidental damage, and then Apple keeps your money while refusing to perform the accidental damage repair in the first place? It's as scammy as all these other protection programs the carriers offer.
I'm still livid about wasting that money on AC+ to have them refuse accidental damage service when I was willing and able to pay the deductible, and I will probably never buy AC+ again after that experience.
BehemothManiac
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I call bulshit.
My iPhone 14 Pro Max doesn't do AI ****, so I don't expect my Ultra 2 to do any AI **** on OS27.
So there's no reason why Ultra would not get updated as well because of "AI"
It's not like they process anything on the watch anyway.
My iPhone 14 Pro Max doesn't do AI ****, so I don't expect my Ultra 2 to do any AI **** on OS27.
So there's no reason why Ultra would not get updated as well because of "AI"
It's not like they process anything on the watch anyway.
Except that they are Bluetooth and Wi-Fi capable devices that have a copy of your iCloud Keychain on them. There are known, patched vulnerabilities in several generations of Broadcom Wi-Fi drivers that previous iPhones used, so it's not unprecedented to have security vulnerabilities exposed through those channels.
If you're not getting security updates on a device that is internet-connected (even if by proxy through an iPhone) and has wireless chipsets embedded, it's not secure and you're potentially exposing your credentials, private keys (including iMessage encryption keys), and health data to the world.
Hajj.david
macrumors 6502a
The ultra 1 was $800 a few years ago and was ruined with 26 and frankly the OS before it as well, now they arent releasing any improvements or fixes so it will definitely be my last apple watch. Very disappointed
BehemothManiac
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The moment my current Ultra 2 will become irrelevant, I'm going back to my collection of Swiss watches, like I did when my Series 0 became too slow to use.
I'm not buying the same watch again just because Apple wants me to.
No, because phones and watches are completely different products.
The watch is like the old iPod classic, did a couple things, did it very well, but only got about a year’s worth of updates. By the time the next one came out, the previous one still did whatever you wanted it to do that it was designed to do, but no more software updates, no more redesigns, no new games, nothing. But that’s the thing, it still worked. Just like the Apple Watch, you can still pair a Series 1 with an iPhone 17, and despite it not receiving a software update in many years, it still works.
Phones are much different, much more complex, much more open, much more flexible. The phone was designed to do thousands and thousands of different tasks.
The watch? Designed for basically three tasks, notification management, health tracking, and media control. It can do all of these things, no matter if it’s a Series 0 stuck on OS 5, a Series 8 stuck on OS 26, or a brand new watch series 11 that’s still receiving software updates today.
So I can't use use my now useless $800 Ultra 1 to make some lame use case scenario of grocery shopping with both hands full. BRILLIANT APPLE. THANKS ALOT.
Apple today detailed why five Apple Watch models will miss out on watchOS 27 and the new Siri AI features that come with it.
The Apple Watch Series 6, 7, 8, SE 2, and the original Apple Watch Ultra will not receive watchOS 27, and will only get basic security updates going forward. With the update, Apple is effectively dropping three years' worth of device support in a single software update, which is unprecedented for the product line.
Speaking to TechRadar, Cait Dooley, Apple Watch and Health product marketing manager, said performance requirements were behind the cutoff:
Dooley added that older watches paired with an iPhone running the latest software will keep working and will continue to receive security updates.
David Clark, senior director of watchOS software engineering, said one of the goals of watchOS 27 was to "expand the intelligence story on Apple Watch and make it a true co-partner to Apple Intelligence." He described the watch as often "the most convenient way to interact with Siri," since it's on the wrist all day and useful for quick questions when hands are full:
Clark used the example of asking Siri on Apple Watch for a recipe's ingredients while grocery shopping with both hands full, then later pulling up the same list on the iPhone in an easier-to-read format. He called that handoff a "superpower."
watchOS 27 is currently available in beta to developers, with a public beta expected next month ahead of official release in the fall.
Article Link: Apple Explains Why watchOS 27 Drops Support for So Many Models
Hmm, funny how those are all the watches that still supported the blood oxygen feature natively on the watch (except the SE) and not through the health app. I guess all that processing power is being used up by the calculations on my watch to do my blood oxygen.
Apple has already stated that they will be releasing security updates for watchOS 26, so this doesn’t seem to be particularly relevant.
If you have a watch that has been cut off this year, you can still use it. Easily for another five years.
Just like you can still use an iPod Nano from 2012, which by the way also has Bluetooth, and yet hasn’t received a software update in over a decade, likely longer.
iLondoner
macrumors 6502
"The great new features in watchOS... work best with the processing power that is in Apple Watch Series 9."
So the new features WOULD work with earlier models but you decided not to offer it? And instead cut off updates for a product that was still current less than three years ago. Fortunately I don't have a Watch Series 8 but if I did I'd be considering a class action. The product manager needs to be fired.
So the new features WOULD work with earlier models but you decided not to offer it? And instead cut off updates for a product that was still current less than three years ago. Fortunately I don't have a Watch Series 8 but if I did I'd be considering a class action. The product manager needs to be fired.
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This right here is why we can't get more than a day or two of use without a recharge with no foreseeable change with future watches/batteries. To what end are these enhancements worth the extra juice required?
Piggie
macrumors G3
It's funny as I recall the launch of the very 1st gold version as if it was yesterday, with so many people saying Apple will either not release never versions of the watch, or how you will be able to take your 1st gen gold watch into an Apple store and have it upgraded to the latest version.
How wrong and Naïve we where back then as to imagine Apple was going to support and look after those early adopters that paid so much.
How wrong and Naïve we where back then as to imagine Apple was going to support and look after those early adopters that paid so much.
The S6-S8 and Ultra 1 will be getting watchOS 26 security updates, for now. But you said this:
So it is very relevant.
Just because you can use it doesn't mean you should. That being said, the iPod nano doesn't have a copy of your iCloud Keychain, nor any meaningful credentials or private keys inside. The risk assessment of an unpatched iPod nano and an unpatched Apple Watch are completely different.
That is why I don’t buy the maxed and most expensive models anymore.
dmccombs
macrumors 65816
The article here says you need a S9 or later for the new "major" feature (Siri). Obviously, Apple provides general support for much longer.
Apple AI and Siri are terrible. Here is yet another reason to hate it even more.