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It seems like after that report came out it would have been rather trivial to offer an option to randomize the numberpad each time you use it. And/or allow an option to disable resetting the Apple ID password from the Settings app. They can reinvent the wheel down the line, but there are practical, easy to deploy solutions available now.
It would be a good way to subtly encourage the user to get their head in the correct position for FaceID.
 
But it might make it only marginally more difficult to learn your passcode since the person watching you is also looking at your finger, not just the screen. Tapping only six numbers on a big keypad makes it obvious what numbers you are tapping. So I think that issue demands a separate solution.
The solution to that is to have an option to allow users to have the numbers on the keypad scrambled randomly each time they enter a password. Minor inconvenience but more secure...
 
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I'm fine with it adjusting the hardware via software only when typing in a passcode, but can't the person also view where you're tapping on the screen, roughly? Or would it randomize the location of the numbers each time? Because that would be a huge PITA, I've got my passcode in muscle memory. I imagine many others are the same. Why doesn't Apple just adopt that swipe passcode thing that Android used to have? I imagine that is much more difficult to see from an angle or distance.

If it's fully in privacy mode all the time because of the hardware being fixed in that way, then I'm not for that at all. That would make things really annoying, like having an always on display that's not glanceable on my desk. It's not like I enter my passcode in public very often, or even go out anywhere like that now that I'm getting older and have kids. I'm much more likely to be eating in a nice restaurant or going to an art gallery with my wife then out clubbing, so I don't want a feature that will annoy me most of the time and I'll never use.
 
OR they could just put Touch ID back. What a round about waste of time with privacy screens.
 
I do wonder if it will decrease the screen quality. Privacy screens usually have a worse color rendering, and they are often a bit darker than normal screens.
 
So, the cost of redesigning their security system is too high? Just make sure password reset not rely on that damn 6 (or worse, 4) digits. Is this too much to ask for Apple, a freaking 3T dollar company?
a blurred image would be impossible. Is basic physics no longer required in high school?
Not in Apple school and Apple university. In fact, they don’t even have relevant courses and degree available.
It's a hard problem. People who this happens to surely never imagined it could happen to them.

When it happens - it's too late to do anything about it.
Before it happens - you think it would never happen.
It’s such a sad polarisation when it should not be.
 
I see so many people touching and looking at things too.. it's baffling when surely they must realise they are leaving their finger prints and putting their retinas, indeed their whole face on display. :/

Im even more concerned when they talk... do they not know you can clone someone's voice these days.

best to put a bag on their head, put the gloves on and stay mute while out and about. its the only way to stay safe. I also carry a barge pole.. to keep people at a distance.
Not being born is the only sure fire way to stay absolutely safe, as we absolutely have no technology to spy on something that doesn’t even exist in the first place.
 
Interesting to know about this. For now the privacy screen protectors available in the market should be enough
 
Weaken the power of device passcode.
But customers would hate that. They haven’t made the passcode so powerful because they’re reckless, but because the alternative would be a lot of “I forgot my Apple ID” support calls.
 
But customers would hate that. They haven’t made the passcode so powerful because they’re reckless, but because the alternative would be a lot of “I forgot my Apple ID” support calls.
So which type of hate can Apple and customer endure? Lose access of the entire account without the ability to recover, thus creating headline news and drama, or more calls to the support about “I forgot my Apple ID”, but with prospect of account recovery?

Maybe from Apple’s standpoint, them saving money and blaming victims is the better way forward. Idk about customer side tho.
 
So which type of hate can Apple and customer endure? Lose access of the entire account without the ability to recover, thus creating headline news and drama, or more calls to the support about “I forgot my Apple ID”, but with prospect of account recovery?

Maybe from Apple’s standpoint, them saving money and blaming victims is the better way forward. Idk about customer side tho.

I don't think saving money is a big factor here. Customer satisfaction is.
 
I don't think saving money is a big factor here. Customer satisfaction is.
Well, I hope so, cause to me Apple's customer support quality remains pretty much stagnant, at least in stores I visited. They are not bad, but no improvements either (clueless customer wandering around asking for help for example).
 
At first I thought this was about being forced to give passcodes when being mugged… would be kinda cool for apple to add a “fake passcode” that allows superficial or even fake access, and secretly calls the police / turns on the gps find me features.
 
3M already sell privacy films that do this and they've been available since the iPhone 4. They can be applied to flat and curved displays, so it's not clear what Apple is trying to patent here.
It's not the idea, it's the method (how it's done).
 
You seriously think privacy is stupid?

My biggest pet peeve are people that insist that I look at what's on their phone. I literally don't care about your cat pics, or even worse when someone wants me to watch a video of unknown length while they hold their phone out.

"Nah, I'm good. I really don't need to see whatever it is."
it's not about privacy being stupid.

it's about this being the default screen option for everyone.
 
On the flip side some people get locked out of their own accounts, permanently ... I have never looked to see if there is an onerous procedure they can go through to get access back.. like going to Apple and having to provide huge amounts of documentation and ID etc etc
It would not surprise me if there is not such a process, because there is no such process to verify your ID in the first place when you create an account.
 
THIS WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM IF FACEID DIDNT JUST RANDOMLY DECIDE "YOU KNOW WHAT, MY DEAR USER? I DONT FEEL LIKE WORKING THIS TIME, SO YOU NEED TO TYPE IN YOUR PASSCODE MANUALLY IF YOU WANT TO CHECK INSTAGRAM OR PAY FOR SOMETHING!"

WHO WAS THE GENIUS AT APPLE THAT CAME WITH THE IDEA "IF FACEID DOESNT RECOGNIZE FACE, IT WILL LOCK ITSELF OUT AND PEOPLE WILL NEED TO TYPE IN THEIR PASSCODE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO UNLOCK THEIR PHONE AND MAKE FACEID WORK AGAIN!"

HOW IS TYPING IN A PASSCODE SAFER THAN RECONGIZING USERS 3D SCAN OF THEIR FACE? HOOOOOW?!?!? ANYBODY CAN REMEMBER PASSCODE, BUT NOBODY CAN JUST STEAL SOMEBODY'S FACE(EXCEPT NICHOLAS CAGE AND JOHN TRAVOLTA)
 
There was a great jailbreak tweak from ages ago which on every lock would shuffle the order of the numbers, so on first unlock, the buttons would be:

123
456
789
0

but then on next unlock the grid would randomly change, maybe to:

059
173
286
4

and so on. The passcode itself stayed the same, just the locations of the buttons that correspond to it was randomised. That would make it impossible for casual shoulder surfers unless they were really paying attention as even 1234 would be different each time.

I wouldn't mind if Apple stole that feature for iOS18 tbh!
 
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