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Apple Expo Paris 2003 Rumor Wrapup: Winners and Losers

To be honest, I think most (not all) of the people who get disappointed with these Expo's simply expect too much. Apple, while I love it, is still just a business. They can't pull brand new products out of their a** every expo, or even make huge upgrades to the existing ones. Mainly, there's just going to be improvements on their existing products, and yes, some of these improvements YOU MAY NOT LIKE. Apple doesn't get everything 100% correct, they make mistakes just like everyone else. On top of that, no matter what they did, some people would dislike it even if most people liked it.

Sigh, I guess what I'm trying to get at is don't expect huge improvements all the time, or if you think they might come for whatever good reason, don't get so disappointed when they don't, or at least not angry with Apple saying that they "owe us" (I don't think anyone has said that yet ths thread, thankfully).

As for what did come out: I like the powerbooks, and the BT keyboard and mouse look good, but I wish they didn't cost so much or were rechargable. It'd also be nice if they had the option where you could choose a 1 or multibutton mouse, but whatever.
 
Just want to point out...

There is no "Back" menu item in Safari's contextual menu (if you right- or control- click in the browser window).

FWIW.
 
Originally posted by Photorun
Wow, the one button mouse camp is as arrogant and pretentious as the two button mouse camp.
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then...

One button mousers clearly have never used and/or have never been in a situation the two button mousers are in, hence their venomous defiance on having one button.
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Hello? Mr Irony? Come in, take a seat...
 
Re: Re: Petition online re one-button mouse

Originally posted by mrwalker
Yes, "we" do. "We" will not buy a Mac with a TWO-button mouse.
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I agree. I've used Macs since the 128K Mac in 1984 (Apple ][s before that). To a 512K, 1MB, 4MB....etc. I've used Suns, Apollo workstations, Windows machines, Vaxen, a Cray (in grad school at UCSD), transputers, etc. One button is much easier to use than two. I have yet to find anything I would need a second button for.

Fine, if people want to buy a two button mouse and learn it, not a problem, but as a default, one button is best.

I truly believe that the user-interface research Apple has done still holds for that. As someone who did a lot of user interface design back when I was working at a different computer company and dealt with a lot of user interface gurus, simplicity is key. "Click" is a lot easier to remember than "right-click" or "left-click" and where context matters. There is a lot of research out there on ease of use, and one button is MUCH easier. Think of it like this: how many people can play the drums? then compare it to the number of people who can play the clarinet (I can)? That is the key. A drum is easy, a clarinet or flute is not.

Not that any of this really matters, I doubt Apple will replace the default one button mouse with a two button mouse. An option is fine though for those who need it.

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I am adding a PS to the PhotoRun message. "Clearly" he doesn't know much about what he is talking about when he says "clearly" one-button people have never used 2 buttons. Why is he so rude to everyone?
 
Count me in for a vote of "2-button option". As soon as funds allow, I'm getting the 17PB, and going from a PC this time, I'm gonna miss the 2nd button. Yeah, I could get an external mouse, but the point of a notebook is not to have a bunch of stuff to carry around.

One button was nice when the OS didn't have a built in contextual menu.

Perhaps, I'll disassemble, see who makes the hardware for the trackpad, and see if they have a two button configuration of the same size, and then hack a driver for it. 🙂
 
I am in the process of switching to mac (my 15" Albook should arrive in about 3 days), and I absolutely agree that a one button track pad is much easier to use than 2. I can't stand using a second button on a track pad. However, for a desktop mouse (I ordered the new one), I am definitely going to miss the scroll wheel. it was a HUGE addition to the mouse, especially with the large amount of scrolling we all do every day. Is there some kind of function for scrolling on a mac that doesn't involve physically dragging the bar down the line?
 
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Not that I dislike the Mac Rumors community, but doesn't this just prove that the only people that have any clue what Apple are doing, is Apple themselves?

Clearly any "sources" that people have are very innaccurate - I dunno, it just all seems like a guessing game to me.
 
Originally posted by NoPrideELF
I am in the process of switching to mac (my 15" Albook should arrive in about 3 days), and I absolutely agree that a one button track pad is much easier to use than 2. I can't stand using a second button on a track pad. However, for a desktop mouse (I ordered the new one), I am definitely going to miss the scroll wheel. it was a HUGE addition to the mouse, especially with the large amount of scrolling we all do every day. Is there some kind of function for scrolling on a mac that doesn't involve physically dragging the bar down the line?
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i always higlight text and then just drag the mouse down. It works fine for me.
 
Originally posted by you
i always higlight text and then just drag the mouse down. It works fine for me.
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Damn, you'd think with the abundance of genius residing at apple HQ, they'd come up with some kind of key combo to bring up a scroll circle (like what happens when you press in the scroll wheel on a windows pc). I think that little thing is even more convenient than the wheel itself.
 
Scrolling with the trackpad

A small utility called Ucontrol (http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/) lets you use your trackpad to scroll.
It's quite cool but I rarely use it, since I'm quite fast with the trackpad and I like to have the scrollbar indicater "firmly in my hands".
 
Re: Scrolling with the trackpad

Originally posted by manu chao
A small utility called Ucontrol (http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol/) lets you use your trackpad to scroll.
It's quite cool but I rarely use it, since I'm quite fast with the trackpad and I like to have the scrollbar indicater "firmly in my hands".
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Exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Thanks a lot!
 
so Digitimes is responsible for starting off all the false rumors!!😡 crush, kill 'n destroy!!!😡 😛

but it was very unexpected of Apple to hold off on PowerBook updates for this long... and as everyone knows now it was a problem from Scum-a-rola getting very low yeilds of the 7457.

i didn't really feel that any rumor site really had reliable info, especially when individual people started saying that the new PowerBooks would have the G5.🙄 the lesson - rumor sites will just have to try harder and get more people to disregard the NDA!😛 😉 😀

and now Apple is claiming it's the "year of the notebook". well i guess it has been, with the 12 & 17" introduced earlier this year, and now updated. only problem is it's only going to be "year of the notebook" for another 3 1/2 months. well, that's not too bad i guess.
 
know you can upgrade a G3 to a G4 but does anyone know if it is going to be possible to upgrade a G4 to a G5? I assume not because you won't be able to upgrade PowerMac either? If not will I not be able to upgrade my new 17" PowerBook at all? (1.33Ghz will be last chip made?) Any feeback greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Paul
 
Re: 15 inch not available as promised

Originally posted by neilk2350
they told me that it would ship directly from singapore in two to three days! now they are saying it wont ship until the 19th. i am very disapointed. i wish apple would stop promising what they cant deliver
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Am I missing something here?

You must have ordered on the 16th--unless you live at least two time zones west of mine (Pacific), it must've been Tuesday when the PowerBooks were announced. 16 + 3 = 19. How can you be disappointed? Apple will ship on the second of two possible days, right?

Unless you're joking, I agree with the other poster: stop whining.

WM

P.S. 15" AlBook, 1.25 GHz; standard except RAM configuration, shipping "on or before 9/24/2003".

And it's actually for my dad, who will never, ever use a two-button mouse. Maybe a scroll wheel, but not a second button.
 
I can't believe your still arguing about the 1 button. If you need 2, mice are cheap. If you want one, there it is. I guess Apple could do something with their notebooks to let the user decide between 1 and 2 buttons, but you can always buy a little mouse or CTRL-click. It's not the end of the world!

(Although the price is kinda steep, and most people who would be using them would want more options, and better battery power, rechargable, etc... it's ok, no big deal. You don't like it, don't buy it)

As far as the rest of the stuff goes, keep your expectations low, and you are rarely disappointed. The PowerBooks are what I expected. So are the mice. New displays, iPod accessories, xServes, Panther ship date, iTunes Store Windows/International, etc., would have been cool, but I guess we'll have to save them for a later day.
 
still no stream at apple.com

this is really dissapointing. 48 hours after the keynote there is still no stream available at apple/quicktime.

does anyone know when the stream will be on, or if it is some place else?

thanks a lot,
Moto
 
Originally posted by depakote
know you can upgrade a G3 to a G4 but does anyone know if it is going to be possible to upgrade a G4 to a G5? I assume not because you won't be able to upgrade PowerMac either? If not will I not be able to upgrade my new 17" PowerBook at all? (1.33Ghz will be last chip made?) Any feeback greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Paul
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nope, i don't think you'll be able to upgrade your 17" PowerBook. notebooks generally aren't upgradable, as far as processors go. i don't think any Apple laptops are processor upgradable.

and i'd say that PowerMacs won't be able to upgrade G4 to G5. G5's are 64-bit after all, and they use a completely different system controller.
 
I don't understand the problem

I regularly use both types of mice, and I have to say that there is little difference in productivity once you get used to one or the other. I figure it takes about 10 seconds to make the adjustment. That said, if I had to make a choice, the one button is a little kinder on the fingers, so that is what I prefer. In any case the kind of money we are talking about is nothing. 20 bucks, 50 bucks, a 100 bucks, who cares? It's basically a bar bill on a work night.

Furthermore, most of the pro users I work with think that mice are useless in general. They prefer tablets. You want to bag on Apple for not providing tablets for those that want them? Why not provide a car? How about a house? A pension plan?

Jeez.
 
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