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Apple Expo Paris 2006
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netdog said:
Maybe Apple could call the new PowerMac the BigMac. McDonalds could allow them to use the name as long as Apple doesn't go into the food distribution business (at least until Steve develops those food creator thingy-mabobs they have in Star Trek).
AidenShaw said:
Well, CS3 won't be out until Q2 07 for starters...
AidenShaw said:
I'm sure Apple won't abandon the G5 PMs when the Intel ones comes out - they haven't done that with any of their other models as of yet, so I see no reason they would in this case. Due to the whole UB issue as well and the needs of Pro users, I see even more reason not to abandon the PM G5s right off the bat.
AidenShaw said:
I like this prediction. Nothing says Apple can't mix and match processors in the PowerMac line. Whether it's the above prediction (i.e. separating them out into 2 products) or just keeping the single PowerMac line and using both Conroe and Woodcrest in the low-end and top-end machines respectively, I could see Apple taking full advantage of these nice new chips.
liketom said:already got my reservation in - no keynote as yet though
wait and see if steve fancys a trip to paris later this year
That's what I was thinking, he wont miss it this year! Too mo=uch of a big year
With Apple already having pushed WWDC back a little bit, I think the chances of a keynote at the Paris Expo are slightly less--not to rain on any parades. Although, with the WWDC being geared around professionals (there have been exceptions I realize), perhaps Apple will have something consumer oriented for Paris.
What happened to all the 6G iPod buzz? Wouldn't that be ironic if Mr. Jobs introduced a new iPod in France...maybe he would use the opportunity for a tirade against their government's recent interference.
Now that I think about it, it's not so much irony as it is good timing.
What happened to all the 6G iPod buzz? Wouldn't that be ironic if Mr. Jobs introduced a new iPod in France...maybe he would use the opportunity for a tirade against their government's recent interference.
Now that I think about it, it's not so much irony as it is good timing.
Josias said:
I can't think of any Power Macs without PPC processors...
PowerBook, yes, but Power Macs with an 68k...?
I agree that ProMac isn't a good name.
Mac Pro isn't too bad, IMHO.
What about Mac Max?
huh?
I looked at the online store, and
It looks very much like they're dropping the G4/G5 systems as soon as the Intel systems come out.
Maybe the old models were available until inventory sold out - but it's clear that so far that Apple is dropping PowerPC as quickly as they can, whether or not the Intel applications are ready.
The G4/G5 store is now called "eBay".
Are you kidding?~Shard~ said:
I looked at the online store, and
- where are the iMac G5s ?
- where are the 15" PowerBook G4s ?
- where are the 17" PowerBook G4s ?
- where are the G4 minis ?
It looks very much like they're dropping the G4/G5 systems as soon as the Intel systems come out.
Maybe the old models were available until inventory sold out - but it's clear that so far that Apple is dropping PowerPC as quickly as they can, whether or not the Intel applications are ready.
The G4/G5 store is now called "eBay".
Is it me or did the G5 have a surprisingly short lifespan? Or does time just fly by whn you get to be my age...
AidenShaw said:
I said they didn't abandon them, which is correct. After the Intel version of those machines were released, you could still buy the PPC version until supplies ran out. It's not as if the split second the Intel machine was available, that was a consumer's only option. And as I said, the same will happen with the PowerMac. When the Intel PowerMacs are announced at WWDC, the G5 PowerMacs will not mysteriously and abruptly vanish from the Apple Store, and will still be available for some time "while quantities last".
Phased out over the following couple months? Yes, Abandoned? No. Perhaps we just disagree on my choice of words then.
PruneTracy said:
Maybe it's because the G4 had quite a long lifespan. I think the G5 was shortlived, probably because Mr. Jobs was unhappy with IBM. The Intel transition has gone by much more quickly than I had anticipated.
I still love my G4.
Transition to Intel won't be complete until XServe gets it.ccool2ax said:
I don't expect the PowerMac/MacPro to transistion until it can get a Conroe processor; anything less is a step backward for the PowerMac. Sure you can give the iMac a 64-bit processor and then temporarily step back to 32-bit without to much flack. But to do this to the PowerMac tier would be just nonsensical.
We shouldn't see the PowerMac transition until it can get a Conroe.
It makes sense to wait to transition the XServe until it can get a Woodcrest.
However, with Intel's current release plans, I expect we will see the PowerMac transistion in August with Conroe, followed by laptops getting bumped to Merom in September, with Xserve coming over anywhere between August 2006 and January 2007. I think January is more likely because one expects servers to be super stable--even on a rev A version, thus requiring extra/more intense quality testing.
Personally, I'm ready to replace my laptop and desktop now, but I'll wait for Apple to release Merom and Conroe products before I do. I'll limp allong with my Pentium III 650MHz laptop until then (my Pentium 233MHz MMX desktop died 4 months ago).
Well, the "split second" does seem to apply to the 17" - it's no longer in the store....~Shard~ said:
To me, not "dropping" the G4/G5 would mean continuing to manufacture, sell, and support them (at least some models) until most of the top pro software titles are released as Intel or fat binaries. It doesn't mean "surprise - can't buy that any more". Many Intel vendors in the business space give many months notice before end-of-lifing a model series.
What's a company to do if it wants to expand for a project - say hire 5 Photoshop experts - and needs 17" PPC laptops. Over a weekend, without notice, their ability to buy new has been cut off. They can scramble to grab refurbs while they're available, or venture into the mindefields of eBay.
Hmm, didn't Apple sell the PM G4 parallell with the PM G5 for a year (?) or so, just to make the OS9/OSX transition smoother. If I remember it correctly, OSX wasn't a wonder of stability when it was introduced.
Wasn't PM G4 the last machine that was bootable from OS 9?
Wasn't PM G4 the last machine that was bootable from OS 9?
You're right, according to Apple-history (http://www.apple-history.com/body.php?page=gallery&model=g4_mirror&performa=off&sort=date&order=ASC) - the MDD hung around for a year or more as a special configuration for OS9.Dr.Gargoyle said:
Wonder what the plans are this time around? (But the answer seems to be a "no" for the Pro laptops...)
I think that was the case the last time around too...AidenShaw said:
I believe Shard is correct in his assumption that Apple will introduce the new intel PM as soon as Conroe/Woodcrest comes available. If for no other reason, just so Apple can claim that the PPC->x86 transition has been completed. Steve doesn't want to repeat the 3GHz debacle...
Nevertheless, I do agree that it is a bit odd to introduce a "professional" machine without any "professional" applications to run on it.
mini-tower, mini-tower, mini-tower
Put a Conroe (single socket, dual-core) in a small mini-tower with an x16 PCIe graphics slot, room for an additional 3.5" drive and/or optical, 8 GiB of RAM capacity, and two additional low profile PCIe slots.
Since Intel's price for Woodcrest (dual-socket capable) chips and chipsets will be much higher than Conroe, this will let Apple raise the price of the maxi-tower $500 to $800, and still have a nice expandable tower in the $1000 to $1500 range.
Plus, all the Dell/HP/Lenovo/Gateway/Acer/... will have Conroe mini-towers in the $750-$1000 range. How silly would Apple look with a single-chip Woodcrest system for $1800 - that's not even as fast as a $900 Dell with a Conroe.
It's a new ball game, girls!
Yes, but the Conroe would make a great chip for a new form factor between the MiniMacIntel and the maxi-tower PowerMac.generik said:If the PM gets the conroe it will be a real joke for the line. Conroe would be like the equivalent of desktop processors (read: like the Pentium 4) and do not support multiple chips. Hence it is a stepdown from the G5 if you ask me
Put a Conroe (single socket, dual-core) in a small mini-tower with an x16 PCIe graphics slot, room for an additional 3.5" drive and/or optical, 8 GiB of RAM capacity, and two additional low profile PCIe slots.
Since Intel's price for Woodcrest (dual-socket capable) chips and chipsets will be much higher than Conroe, this will let Apple raise the price of the maxi-tower $500 to $800, and still have a nice expandable tower in the $1000 to $1500 range.
Plus, all the Dell/HP/Lenovo/Gateway/Acer/... will have Conroe mini-towers in the $750-$1000 range. How silly would Apple look with a single-chip Woodcrest system for $1800 - that's not even as fast as a $900 Dell with a Conroe.
It's a new ball game, girls!
AidenShaw said:
Good catch - I didn't realize this, I stand corrected.
AidenShaw said:
Good point actually - I suppose using the word "abandon" wasn't what I was looking for, as I agree - there is a difference between continuing to manufacture something and just letting the remaining inventory disappear.
AidenShaw said:
That looks like it's shaping up to be a distinct possibility. The iMac, I assume, will get the mobile Merom, so where will Conroe fit? Part of me still doubts that Apple will come out with a new mini tower, even though I think the market would support it. I'm just a cynic, I guess.
There is another possibility, which I think ~Shard~ pointed out a while back, that the PowerMac level desktop gets Conroe in a couple lower-end configurations as well as Woodcrest in the high-end tower. To me, this seems somewhat analogous to the way Apple has set the PowerMac line up presently.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's a possibility.
boncellis said:
Yeah, this was my thinking of how things might possibly work, although I think AidenShaw's is viable as well. Nothing says Apple has to use the same processor architecture throughout an entire line, so perhaps the quad-killer will indeed be a Woodcrest machine...
Another thing to keep in mind is how quickly Intel is releasing these chips - Conroe, Woodcrest, Cloverton, Kentsfield - we'll be seeing Dunnington before we know it!
Anyway, Apple needs to have a smart strategy in place to capitalize on these relatively quick advancements - no point in releasing a super cool and expensive "high end" Conroe PowerMac and bragging about it if something substantially better is going to be out in a matter of mere months...
I would think that Apple already has a lot of customer feedback of nature of "I need more than a Mini - but the PowerMac is so *huge*"....boncellis said:
What I see is:
- Apple needs low end ("entry", if you will) towers
- The PMG5 is a maxi-tower that puts some people off because of its size
- Conroe will be the new low-end desktop
- Woodcrest will cost a lot more than Conroe
- Woodcrest in the current towers would be Huge and Expensive
A new mini-tower with a Conroe just makes too much sense