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and Apple isnt? Apple have been trolling patents for a while now....they deserve to get sued as far as I'm concerned...

Do you have an example of Apple suing someone over technology they do not use in a product that is currently on the market?


They started it.

LOL Started what? Are you trying to say they were the first company to sue another for patent infringement?

Actually, if you go back a couple of years, Apple was one of the least litigious and most often sued companies in the tech industry.
 
You can stop using an older/outdated definition of trolling in regards to this industry in 2011.

A patent troll is and has always meant the same thing, long before the mobile communications industry existed. Lawsuits just seem more pronounced now because they happen to fall inside an industry of interest to you. So, you can stop trying to inject your own definition and meaning of a term or word, so that your misunderstanding makes it correct.

Like domain squatters of a decade ago, patent trolls have no intentions of making use of the IP the patents protect. They only hang on in hope of being able to make money from it.
 
A patent troll is and has always meant the same thing, long before the mobile communications industry existed. Lawsuits just seem more pronounced now because they happen to fall inside an industry of interest to you. So, you can stop trying to inject your own definition and meaning of a term or word, so that your misunderstanding makes it correct.

Like domain squatters of a decade ago, patent trolls have no intentions of making use of the IP the patents protect. They only hang on in hope of being able to make money from it.

Highly subjective. If a company spends millions of dollars on R&D only to go belly up or not really be able to find their OWN use for it - but still has made strides which are patented - are you suggested they shouldn't be entitled to compensation.

Slipperly slope there....
 
What's with that guy beside the WiLan logo?

Look up "smarmy" in a dictionary, and you'll see that same picture. F'real. He has that "get-rich-quick infomercial host" vibe down pat, doesn't he?

Anyway, yeah, patent trolls suck. I understand getting compensation for successfully-implemented ideas and all, but not years after the fact. As mentioned earlier in the thread, where was Wi-LAN when the iPhone 3 first came out? They could have already had a good cash flow by now had they worked with Apple or RIM from the get-go, provided their patent was legitimate.
 
Highly subjective. If a company spends millions of dollars on R&D only to go belly up or not really be able to find their OWN use for it - but still has made strides which are patented - are you suggested they shouldn't be entitled to compensation.

Slipperly slope there....
Exactly. Literally anyone on these forums could come up with a great idea, work on producing a prototype and, when it functions as desired, obtaining a patent on it. If however they're unable to secure the necessary funding (not exactly easy, especially in this economy) to produce said product on a large scale, they shouldn't be required to simply then forfeit said patent and allow a company like Apple or Microsoft to benefit from what the person developed.

Granted there are plenty of companies who abuse the idea of patents, but not every single situation is a blatant "patent troll".
 
Highly subjective. If a company spends millions of dollars on R&D only to go belly up or not really be able to find their OWN use for it - but still has made strides which are patented - are you suggested they shouldn't be entitled to compensation.

Slipperly slope there....

That's not at all what I'm saying. If they've done the work, they deserve some compensation, if they can get it. This is why we see companies selling their patents to make a little extra revenue... some may even switch to licensing their IP. But they usually aren't sue happy entities that take their case to the Eastern District of Texas.

A patent troll acquires patents for the sole purpose of extorting compensation, they have no intention of using the IP, other than for possible litigious actions.
 
That's not at all what I'm saying. If they've done the work, they deserve some compensation, if they can get it. This is why we see companies selling their patents to make a little extra revenue... some may even switch to licensing their IP. But they usually aren't sue happy entities that take their case to the Eastern District of Texas.

A patent troll acquires patents for the sole purpose of extorting compensation, they have no intention of using the IP, other than for possible litigious actions.

But who decides who is a patent troll and who isn't. How do you know what a company's actual intentions are. That's why I said it's subjective. And CERTAINLY so on this forum.

Anyone suing Apple is a patent troll according so many.
 
I HATE PEOPLE/COMPANIES SUING APPLE :mad:

Aww, poor Apple. Those big bullies. :rolleyes: Lucky thing Apple never sues anybody.

A little blind devotion here!? Don't worry, poor Apple will be OK. Don't take it personally - Apple doesn't.

Perhaps, since there seems to be daily (or multiple daily) threads on patent suits, there should be a Patent Suits Forum. Kind of keep it all in one place. ;)
 
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chrono1081 said:
Wow we got some winning comments in this thread :rolleyes:

Sure Apple may sue over some dumb things sometimes but as a company who constantly has their ideas and technology ripped off I can understand why even if I don't agree with some of the lawsuits. I would hardly call them a patent troll since they actually create things.

Openwave on the other hand does not create things, and in my opinion companies that do not create things should not be allowed to hold patents.

Swarmy… I like it…
 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your understanding of a patent troll—or your point in general—but are you asserting that Apple does not make & sell products and is strictly basing its business on licensing its IP?
Yeah, Apple is more of a patent goblin than a troll

/joke.
 
Wow we got some winning comments in this thread :rolleyes:

Sure Apple may sue over some dumb things sometimes but as a company who constantly has their ideas and technology ripped off I can understand why even if I don't agree with some of the lawsuits. I would hardly call them a patent troll since they actually create things.

Openwave on the other hand does not create things, and in my opinion companies that do not create things should not be allowed to hold patents.

I used to work at Openwave. They are past their heyday now - but only a few years ago they were the leader in mobile software innovation.

Their browser was (arguably) the first to offer the full internet on mass produced mobile devices - back in 2001 (this after being a driving force in the WAP protocol specs that kicked the mobile internet off - and the main implementor).

They pioneered the idea of html+js based rich apps that could be downloaded and run offline (very similar to WebOS) - back in 2002.

They pioneered the idea of a unified messenger app that would choose whether to send over SMS, MMS or email depending on content.

They were one of the first to play with embedding a Linux based OS on mobile devices - in 2001 (many former Openwave devs now work on Android) - although I don't know if they ever brought that to market themselves.

They were pioneers in providing application frameworks for third-party developers to tap into these technologies. This framework supported multi-tasking and suspend/ resume of apps, third-party audio & video codecs, contact and calendar sync and much more.

These are just a few things I recall OTTOMH.

When I was there the majority of the worlds handset manufacturers used Openwave's browser, at least. Many used the application framework. Many more used their messaging.

And that was just the client side. They also had gateways for WAP, MMS, and HTML (which normalised content for device capabilities and compressed images).

Openwave's decline started before the iPhone came on the scene. There were management and leadership issues. That was the climate from which I left.

But I think it's fair to say that the iPhone's success really finished them off. What's ironic is that much (but by no means all) of what finished them off was based on technology they had earlier pioneered!

Now Apple did a lot more. They deserved their success, IMHO. But I can understand why Openwave are feeling a bit put out. I think they have a right to bring up these patents and they are certainly not trolling.

The specific patents almost don't matter. What matters is that they lost out because someone else used much of their intellectual property (plus a lot more, of course) and put them out of the market. Setting aside arguments over who did a better job I think its natural they will use whatever legal tools they have available to seek compensation for that.

Just my thoughts - from someone with loyalties on both sides.
 
apple sues others -> yes. patents/laws are absolutely necessary, apple has all rights.

others sue apple -> patent laws sucks. patent trolls have nothing better to do.
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But who decides who is a patent troll and who isn't. How do you know what a company's actual intentions are. That's why I said it's subjective. And CERTAINLY so on this forum.
Intentions? The definition of this term is based on actions. Actions are pretty easy to see.
 
You reap what you sow.

Apple may not be a vanilla patent troll, but they definitely troll patents. Glass staircase?
 
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