And who / why or what is forcing me or the User to Upgrade the Phone ? I just dont understand ? Please explain. It is YOU (the User) who want to upgrade to a Newer system ... is Apple that is forcing the User to Upgrade ? No it sure isnt. But sill a read in every third post that Apple is forcing to upgrade the Phone.
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Apple Faces User Backlash After Dropping Support for iPhone 7 From iOS 16
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Why do you make 6 different posts to post 6 answers? You can quote more than one comment in a post. Stop flooding this forum
Interesting backlash, more so given that the issue is most likely RAM requirements. So often overlooked when the processor/gpu are touted so much more these days.
Six years is a pretty good innings for a smartphone, my partner only just upgraded to an iPhone 8 when I got my 13 mini, my workphone is a 7 and it’s not doing a hell of a lot better under iOS 15.
I’m not saying upgrade every year by any means but 6 years is pre Brexit at this point, maybe something to think about following the apparent demise of Moore’s Law
Six years is a pretty good innings for a smartphone, my partner only just upgraded to an iPhone 8 when I got my 13 mini, my workphone is a 7 and it’s not doing a hell of a lot better under iOS 15.
I’m not saying upgrade every year by any means but 6 years is pre Brexit at this point, maybe something to think about following the apparent demise of Moore’s Law
There would probably be a class action lawsuit if they didn't support minimum functionality...Macs are more expensive.
It's a fine balance between no support and minimum support, and even that can get you sued.
Man sues Microsoft for $600M after a forced Windows upgrade destroyed his PC
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Agree, and mostly agree. Some of these phones are pricier than some of the still supported Macs. Lol. I think the other thing people forget is Apple was still selling these NEW at the end of 2019. The iPads being updated to it with some lesser hardware and some same hardware, a phone that was sold new until September 10, 2019..... 2.75ish years to this announcement of dropping support, and the fact they are in fact running and limiting features in the iOS side and on the Mac side for these newer OSes. The trashcan Mac Pro stopped being sold new December 10, 2019. I think it puts them in a worse spot than they have put themselves into for a long long time. They've shot themselves in the foot this time and are on VERY thin ice with what they've done with this round of updates. I expect very large lawsuits to be filed.
god people are so entitled.
you have a 6 year old phone which got 5 major OS updates and its not like your phone is going to explode the minute Apple releases iOS 16. if you love your phone so much then just keep it. even if apple didnt ditch it with iOS 16 then most likely it would have been next year with iOS 17. so whats the big deal?
i have a 12 pro max. ill be more than happy if i get to iOS 19. im not going to piss and moan about not getting iOS 20 because by then my phone will be 6 years old and i know if i want the latest software i need to buy a new phone. apple can only support their hardware for so long.
you have a 6 year old phone which got 5 major OS updates and its not like your phone is going to explode the minute Apple releases iOS 16. if you love your phone so much then just keep it. even if apple didnt ditch it with iOS 16 then most likely it would have been next year with iOS 17. so whats the big deal?
i have a 12 pro max. ill be more than happy if i get to iOS 19. im not going to piss and moan about not getting iOS 20 because by then my phone will be 6 years old and i know if i want the latest software i need to buy a new phone. apple can only support their hardware for so long.
I have an iPhone 7+ as my backup phone. My main phone is the iPhone 13 mini. I was getting a lot of dropped calls or service unavailable messages. A lot of people are complaining about Verizon service in my area and apparently Verizon is doing their 5g rollout which is apparently the cause for much worse phone coverage. So it was the right time. My iPhone 7+ was getting sluggish as well. But I just wanted a really small phone too. My wife and son have the 6s but I don't know if they will want to upgrade as they are both big users of the headphone jack.
It's way easier responding to different members' posts in separate posts, and way easier for those members to read my separate responses.
Anyhow, since when did you become boss, Mr '169 posts in 17 years'?.
As far as I can see most the time your only contribution is hitting the dislike button on posts that trigger you, so maybe wind your neck in.
EDIT: *waits for the inevitable dislike*
EDIT EDIT: *is not disappointed*
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Yes, Apple will recycle it for free but getting the item to Apple needs to be free as well. If customers are unable to physically get to a recycling point, whether it be an Apple store or another authourised store, it is my opinion that many will not use their own money in postage and packaging to send their unwanted item to Apple and i do not think they should.
The iPhone 10 is the iPhone X, I think they just did that for the 10th iPhone and iPhoneSes.
How long did Apple call OS10 OSX?
Now we are back to MacOS numbers.
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The trigger is "forced". "Planned obsolescence" may have been more accurate, although I still disagree.
As an aside, there is no improper reading of a post, only failure to carefully craft your ideas. Using "trigger" is another sad example of echolalia.
I bought a phone (Motorola I think) many years ago that promised at least one OS update. They reneged on that one. I bought the Nexus 7 and you got two updates but the second didn't count because the device was unusable with the second update. Getting six years of software updates from electronics today is remarkable and why I buy iPhones. My iPhone 7+ will remain my backup phone and I'll just leave it on iOS 15.
My ideas were perfectly articulated, but I'll try again: Apple effectively forces you to upgrade the hardware by first obsoleting adequate and capable hardware from new OS rollouts, then ultimately by ending support and security updates for the last OS that hardware is able to run.
The last five years or so has seen the performance of the miniature computer in our pocket reach such a level that basically very very few of us actually need to upgrade. So how exactly do you make consumers pay you money when you've already gone down the one-way rabbit-hole of giving them OS upgrades for free? Answer: you have to do something that makes them need to buy your new hardware, but you need to do it in a very clever way which doesn't leave you open to class actions on account of their devices suddenly no longer having the same functionalities they had when purchased.
It's not exactly rocket-science, it's just business, and Apple are not alone in working this way.
Apple should offer the iPhone 14 models in Jet Black as a tribute to the iPhone 7, that’d be sweet but will probably stir up some controversy again haha.
Nonsense.
Software needs to move forward, and it moves forward thanks to powerful hardware to drive new features and increased security. I genuinely believe that nobody at Apple is thinking about planned obsolescence or profits or incentivising people to upgrade; they're only focused on perfecting iOS experience on latest iPhone, but if it can be replicated on older hardware, than great, why not.
A9 was a huge leap forward, and that's why iPhone 6s got three more years of updates than iPhone 6.
A10 was a small improvement, not revolutionary. It still destroyed that year's Snapdragon 821, and iPhone 7 still got two more major OS releases than Google Pixel 1 from the same era. But it's not capable enough for iOS 16.
A12 was another big leap forward, with insanely fast Apple-designed GPU, powerful Neural Engine and much more; iPhone XS already gets more features than X, and will probably get updates for 4-5 more years from this point.
May I remind you that Pixel 3, that came out at the same time, got its last update half a year ago?
May I remind you that most laptops shipped at that time, with Kaby Lake and Zen 1 CPUs, are not allowed to run Windows 11 officially?
May I also remind you that app developers will probably keep supporting iOS 15 for three-four more years from this moment? Which makes iPhone 7 a device that's done its job for 10 years straight. Not a bad run...
These people should chill out.
Software needs to move forward, and it moves forward thanks to powerful hardware to drive new features and increased security. I genuinely believe that nobody at Apple is thinking about planned obsolescence or profits or incentivising people to upgrade; they're only focused on perfecting iOS experience on latest iPhone, but if it can be replicated on older hardware, than great, why not.
A9 was a huge leap forward, and that's why iPhone 6s got three more years of updates than iPhone 6.
A10 was a small improvement, not revolutionary. It still destroyed that year's Snapdragon 821, and iPhone 7 still got two more major OS releases than Google Pixel 1 from the same era. But it's not capable enough for iOS 16.
A12 was another big leap forward, with insanely fast Apple-designed GPU, powerful Neural Engine and much more; iPhone XS already gets more features than X, and will probably get updates for 4-5 more years from this point.
May I remind you that Pixel 3, that came out at the same time, got its last update half a year ago?
May I remind you that most laptops shipped at that time, with Kaby Lake and Zen 1 CPUs, are not allowed to run Windows 11 officially?
May I also remind you that app developers will probably keep supporting iOS 15 for three-four more years from this moment? Which makes iPhone 7 a device that's done its job for 10 years straight. Not a bad run...
These people should chill out.
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That's not necessarily relevant here. People who buy Android phones know going in that OS updates will only be around 2 to 4 years (depending on device) but people buying iPhones have come to expect more and if/when it is less than expected (e.g., iPhone 7 getting a year less OS support than 6s), it's reasonable to express disappointment.
If Ruth's Chris Steak House cut back on their quality or service, customers would have a right to complain as it doesn't really matter if it's still better than Outback. They had a certain (higher) expectation.
Well, you don't find out until you buy one and then ask, "What happened?". We were an all-Android family and are now all iPhone. OS updates are only one of the reasons we're in the Apple ecosystem.
iPhone 7 will be 6 years old this year. So not too bad as it got at least 5 years of iOS. But understandable that many would still be upset.
Apple seems to be cutting down on features on multiple slightly older devices which is not great at all. One example would be the 2020 iPad Pro. This iPad is just the previous generation. Missing out on Stage Manager for the 2020 model. This will definitely be upsetting and irritating for many users.
Apple really want people to upgrade to the newer devices.
Apple seems to be cutting down on features on multiple slightly older devices which is not great at all. One example would be the 2020 iPad Pro. This iPad is just the previous generation. Missing out on Stage Manager for the 2020 model. This will definitely be upsetting and irritating for many users.
Apple really want people to upgrade to the newer devices.
It’s called business. A business doesn’t have unlimited resources to support hardware for as long as *you* would like. Don’t like it? Start your own business and support your phones for as long as you’d like.
It's certainly not an important factor for everybody but I think a reason many people buy iPhones is for the long OS support, whether it be because they actually keep their phones 6-7 years or because the longer support can help with resale when they sell/trade.
The fact that iOS support is longer than Android is a given (at this point) but disappointment is not unreasonable if/when the iOS support isn't as long as some may have expected. I think Apple needs to do a better job of managing customer expectations and one way to do that is put something in writing regarding guaranteed minimum length of OS support, similar to what other companies do. It may be Apple likes that the impression/assumption is support can be 7 years and doesn't want to admit (put in writing) that it may only be 5 or 6.