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Whether Apple earned its 60%+ U.S. mobile OS market share by having a good product or due to other reasons, it doesn't give them the right to (allegedly) violate antitrust laws and engage in anticompetitive behavior. The government investigation and pending lawsuit is not "overstep."
Which tax payers are asking for this? They work for us. This investigation is going nowhere and a waste. This isn't he EU
 
I wouldn’t say just about nothing. During the investigation, negotiation, etc. process Microsoft agreed to make a number of concessions including various business practice adjustments and compliance measures. Unfortunately for Netscape, it was too late. The justice system moves too slowly in these matters.

Fortunately for Microsoft, the ruling to have the company broken up was later reversed on appeal.
Right, I left out a pretty big detail. There was a change in presidential administration in January 2001.
 
Which tax payers are asking for this? They work for us. This investigation is going nowhere and a waste. This isn't he EU

“Taxpayers” aren’t the law. “Taxpayers” aren’t legislators.

Citizens in a representative democracy elect legislators to represent them and to grant them the solemn responsibility draft, negotiate, and pass legislation. Citizens elect a president to sign or veto that legislation.

That’s the constitutional bargain.

Public governance is not a publicly-traded corporation with trading shares. Dividends are paid in basic rights, not cash.

Public governance takes work and participation, and the sausage-making which goes into that can feel tedious, but it is nevertheless a necessary part of that bargain.
 
Many companies (who pay way more taxes than you do) are asking for this.
You mean companies who are angry Apple is more successful and want to use legal ******** to beat their competitor instead of just improving their products. These claims like the Apple Watch works better on iPhone being a problem is insane....no ****.
 
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I don't know why this angers me, but I like the closed-door policy Apple has.

I was a PC guy for years: I built and tinkered with computers for a long time. I downloaded all kinds of software to "enhance" the experience.


I had Windows Phones for a bit, with other skins and custom softwares.

Then I discovered this nice cozy Apple Ecosystem, where I can't easily manipulate things... AND I LOVE IT. Things just work... I feel safe downloading things... I don't have to worry about what app is using what resources...


I buy Apple because of this. Is it perfect? No. But it's better than the alternative!


Don't like it? Go ahead: buy your windows machines or your android phones. Blackberry, Windows, and Palm all had a go at smartphones and that ecosystem; but Apple prevailed... because it's better.
 
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Then I discovered this nice cozy Apple Ecosystem, where I can't easily manipulate things... AND I LOVE IT. Things just work... I feel safe downloading things... I don't have to worry about what app is using what resources...
And that is what I hate, being told what to do with my own stuff. It is passable because I can drop to the Unix shell to do a lot of things Apple locks you out of. Don't feel too safe Apple only has less malware because it isn't worth it to create them for the userbase.
 
So, from a layman's perspective, aside from the green bubble, making text message interoperability easier for all users of text message's ( which i agree with ), how does any of this greatly affect the general public in a negative way, so much so, that the united states government feels that it needs to bring a suit against apple?

Aside from the typical tech crowd, who bitches and complains about a lack of a specific feature or spec, the apple brand and its products are created for the average, everyday consumer. Ease of use, security, relatively seamless interconnectivity and so on are clearly what makes them stand out and become the choice of so many.

The consumer has clearly voted, with their wallets and their continued loyalty, that they prefer apple, the iphone and so many other offerings by apple. Its evident, again from the general masses, that apple has an incredible retention rate and very little churn once the average consumer finally becomes part of apples eco-system. If it was so bad, or so outrageously expensive to be in an apple consumer, one can easily leave for any other non apple product......but the majority do not. For years now, I have seen reports about apple and its products having off the charts, consumer satisfaction ratings. So again, what can this suit bring, to people ( again, the general masses ) who are already very happy with apple, its products and what its eco-system offers them.

I mean even from a personal perspective, the number of techies i know or work with over the years have slowly left android and become apple users. Some are "meh" on it and some say they'll never go back....
 
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So, from a layman's perspective, aside from the green bubble, making text message interoperability easier for all users of text message's ( which i agree with ), how does any of this greatly affect the general public in a negative way, so much so, that the united states government feels that it needs to bring a suit against apple?

Aside from the typical tech crowd, who bitches and complains about a lack of a specific feature or spec, the apple brand and its products are created for the average, everyday consumer. Ease of use, security, relatively seamless interconnectivity and so on are clearly what makes them stand out and become the choice of so many.

The consumer has clearly voted, with their wallets and their continued loyalty, that they prefer apple, the iphone and so many other offerings by apple. Its evident, again from the general masses, that apple has an incredible retention rate and very little churn once the average consumer finally becomes part of apples eco-system. If it was so bad, or so outrageously expensive to be in an apple consumer, one can easily leave for any other non apple product......but the majority do not. For years now, I have seen reports about apple and its products having off the charts, consumer satisfaction ratings. So again, what can this suit bring, to people ( again, the general masses ) who are already very happy with apple, its products and what its eco-system offers them.

I mean even from a personal perspective, the number of techies i know or work with over the years have slowly left android and become apple users. Some are "meh" on it and some say they'll never go back....

This entire post feels like something from 5 years ago
Everything you've brought up has been parsed, refuted and/or explained ad nauseam ... over ... and over
 
And that is what I hate, being told what to do with my own stuff. It is passable because I can drop to the Unix shell to do a lot of things Apple locks you out of. Don't feel too safe Apple only has less malware because it isn't worth it to create them for the userbase.
over 1 billion users on apple OS devices and the malware creators dont think thats a large enough pool to create malware for?
 
And that is what I hate, being told what to do with my own stuff. It is passable because I can drop to the Unix shell to do a lot of things Apple locks you out of. Don't feel too safe Apple only has less malware because it isn't worth it to create them for the userbase.
Then don't buy Apple?


I'll feel much less safe when 3rd party apps suddenly have access to my pretty locked-down phone... (Wallets, sensitive information, cameras).
 
not to me, care to elaborate?

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The DOJ is just trying to shake down a company that has been enormously successful and make things crappier for us, the end users.

I don't know why this angers me, but I like the closed-door policy Apple has.

I was a PC guy for years: I built and tinkered with computers for a long time. I downloaded all kinds of software to "enhance" the experience.


I had Windows Phones for a bit, with other skins and custom softwares.

Then I discovered this nice cozy Apple Ecosystem, where I can't easily manipulate things... AND I LOVE IT. Things just work... I feel safe downloading things... I don't have to worry about what app is using what resources...


I buy Apple because of this. Is it perfect? No. But it's better than the alternative!


Don't like it? Go ahead: buy your windows machines or your android phones. Blackberry, Windows, and Palm all had a go at smartphones and that ecosystem; but Apple prevailed... because it's better.

Liking Apple's closed door policy does not grant it immunity from antitrust law.
 
You mean companies who are angry Apple is more successful and want to use legal ******** to beat their competitor instead of just improving their products. These claims like the Apple Watch works better on iPhone being a problem is insane....no ****.
When the competitors are unhappy it means that competition is suppressed which, in turn, means that customers are not getting the innovation they otherwise would get. Apple watch works better with iPhone not because Apple's solution is that good but because Apple cripples all other solutions. You might have gotten, say, Galaxy watch (which has more features than Apple watch), working much better than AW with iPhone. Or Garmin watch (with 3 weeks battery life) with much better integration than what they can do now. That's good for consumer (but not for AAPL shareholders, which, I suspect, you are).
 
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