I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of the side effects of this ruling. Gaming consoles, TV consoles, they all have app stores. Wouldn't this ruling set a precedence that pushes all hardware devices to support side-loading?
Can somebody, anybody, quote the provision of law that states vendors have to allow outside access to their hardware? does that include all hardware then, car infotainment, kindles, Xbox, Steam, PlayStation's? No? I didn't think so. Because there isn't one. should there be, that is a different discussion
Except the amount of people using Cyda does not represent anywhere near a billion iOS users. The more users are there, the more potential issues to have.
It's called illegal tying and applies to anything a manufacturer unilaterally imposes. Fuel, parts, air freshener, apps - it doesn't matter.Wrong analogy. When it comes to “fuel”, Apple doesn’t restrict where you get power from.
See belowAnd car manufacturers, e.g. Tesla, very well restrict what apps go on their in-car entertainment system. But somehow that’s not a problem, huh?
It doesn't apply to every company equally. It only applies to companies the government determines to have excessive market power. That's how the FTC has been enforcing the antitrust laws for decades.If enforcing these ridiculous “standards” was ok, it would have to apply to every company equally and you will quickly realize how insane that gets. What if I want my app to run on IoT washing machines? Do I get to sue those manufacturers as well because they don’t support it? ?♂️
Without taking sides… but… from a legal POV: Isn’t it true that the business model of Cydia relies on the fact that people do something that is against the EULA that they previously agreed upon? Namely: jailbreaking their device which is basically exploiting a security-vulnerability to change certain OS-parameters.
The difference in what you are saying and what Cydia is saying is that they had *working* apps that were actively shut down out of desire to stifle competition.Wrong analogy. When it comes to “fuel”, Apple doesn’t restrict where you get power from.
And car manufacturers, e.g. Tesla, very well restrict what apps go on their in-car entertainment system. But somehow that’s not a problem, huh?
If enforcing these ridiculous “standards” was ok, it would have to apply to every company equally and you will quickly realize how insane that gets. What if I want my app to run on IoT washing machines? Do I get to sue those manufacturers as well because they don’t support it? ?♂️
FWIW, there have been no recorded examples of his JB methods and/or Cydia installing anything malicious. If he released a new JB, you could "install" it with zero security concerns. Cydia had a list of recommended actions to take post installation, and one of them was to change your admin and root passwords from the default to specifically make your iPhone more secure. He never promoted cracking or piracy. In fact, many of his JBs actually plugged the security vulnerability it used to install thus making your phone more secure. In the context of JBing, he is as trustworthy and ethical (unless you consider JBing itself unethical) as Apple.I have faith in Apple. We know little about the guy litigating. Apple is the most ethical IT Company on the planet. ATM - I trust Apple - not this guy.
I don't disagree fundamentally, but recommend caution. Apple certainly likes to be considered the most ethical IT company and is very successful with its marketing. Looking at what they're doing in China, I'm not so sure anymore though.Apple is the most ethical IT Company on the planet. ATM - I trust Apple - not this guy.
Without taking sides… but… from a legal POV: Isn’t it true that the business model of Cydia relies on the fact that people do something that is against the EULA that they previously agreed upon? Namely: jailbreaking their device which is basically exploiting a security-vulnerability to change certain OS-parameters.
I wonder how Freeman is arguing that closing those vulnerabilities is primary done to prevent the use of cydia 🤨
That’s why you have a revenue, user base, Nr of business partners and market impact requirement in EU so you don’t run in to absurd things.Wrong analogy. When it comes to “fuel”, Apple doesn’t restrict where you get power from.
And car manufacturers, e.g. Tesla, very well restrict what apps go on their in-car entertainment system. But somehow that’s not a problem, huh?
If enforcing these ridiculous “standards” was ok, it would have to apply to every company equally and you will quickly realize how insane that gets. What if I want my app to run on IoT washing machines? Do I get to sue those manufacturers as well because they don’t support it? ?♂️
Check the terms of the software license. I suppose you could totally replace iOS with your own software and be exempt. Or replace the on board software on your car to allow additional software to run, but if you agree to certain terms of use, well you pretty much agree to terms of useFirst sales doctrine? It's not their hardware
And car manufacturers, e.g. Tesla, very well restrict what apps go on their in-car entertainment system. But somehow that’s not a problem, huh?
If enforcing these ridiculous “standards” was ok, it would have to apply to every company equally and you will quickly realize how insane that gets. What if I want my app to run on IoT washing machines? Do I get to sue those manufacturers as well because they don’t support it? ?♂️
I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of the side effects of this ruling. Gaming consoles, TV consoles, they all have app stores. Wouldn't this ruling set a precedence that pushes all hardware devices to support side-loading?
Has whatever you just did won you an argument, ever, or a friend? And there are no arbiters of facts, there are facts and not facts. Ie opinions even falsehoods, but facts remain as factsHas declaring yourself the omniscient arbiter of facts ever won you an argument?
Tesla doesn't have a monopoly. The argument in this case is that Apple has a monopoly in the mobile OS market and (more importantly) is allegedly using its monopoly power in anticompetitive ways.
Well from a legal POV EULA aren’t legally binding. So far apple claims it is binding without any court cases supporting this.Without taking sides… but… from a legal POV: Isn’t it true that the business model of Cydia relies on the fact that people do something that is against the EULA that they previously agreed upon? Namely: jailbreaking their device which is basically exploiting a security-vulnerability to change certain OS-parameters.
And the vulnerability apple closes is just about how you jailbreak it with other tools. Cydia can be installed with cydia impactor without impacting securityI wonder how Freeman is arguing that closing those vulnerabilities is primary done to prevent the use of cydia ?
tesla has a monopoly in their own car entrainment system.
Very clear explanation, thank you.It's called illegal tying and applies to anything a manufacturer unilaterally imposes. Fuel, parts, air freshener, apps - it doesn't matter.
"Tying arrangements are not necessarily unlawful. Antitrust concerns are raised by tying arrangements to the extent that they are used to maintain or augment the seller's pre-existing market power or impair competition on the merits in the market for the tied product."
So if Cydia wins and overtime Apple loses that excessive market power because of side loading, would Apple have the right to disable side loading? At which point a company is dominant or not?It doesn't apply to every company equally. It only applies to companies the government determines to have excessive market power. That's how the FTC has been enforcing the antitrust laws for decades.
What are they doing?. […]Looking at what they're doing in China, I'm not so sure anymore though.