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This MacBook Pro is the mid 2015, the one without egpu. I tried google already, some users from this forum did help me but without success, and yes, it happened with the guest account a well. I hope Apple fix this in the next release. Sierra renders the pdfs very clear.

That's strange. I also have a Crystal Well GPU in my MacBook and it renders PDFs just fine in both HS and Sierra.
What's your display settings set to?
 
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That's strange. I also have a Crystal Well GPU in my MacBook and it renders PDFs just fine in both HS and Sierra.
What's your display settings set to?
I'm on macOS Sierra now, I'm planning to stay here until the next fall.
 
Personally, my biggest issue with APFS is that Apple is forcing it down our throats whether we like it or not.

Apple did not force you to update to High Sierra. That was your choice. Sounds like you should have waited to update. You can always revert if you have the proper backups.
 
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We called it System 8.1. back then.

Did we? Carrying a legacy over in those days were "we"? Ok LOL

In our circle we called it MacOS 8. Prior to MacOS 8 we called it System 7.

System 7.6.1 I seem to remember was the last release we refered to the OS's as "System x.x.x"

With that out the way.

Gotta laugh at some of the comments from the kids here, yep just accept a file system written by Apple and we're all good, LOL.

A file system, as some of the older more experienced guys around here are trying to make you understand, is a mission critical aspect of any OS. Of course, at 20 something, you guys know it all, fck'd if I'd leave u lot to save the world !!!

Apple's overall coding QA/QC since Avie Tevanian was in control of Mac OS X, from what I've seen, has taken a turn for the worst. Our mate over at Rixstep has a great time exposing their guff.

File systems take years and years of development and testing before deployment. Old Stevie boy was on the right path when he was interested in ZFS but ended up throwing the toys outta the pram and pulled the project blaming licensing.

Anyway, this FS doesn't support symbolic links, (didn't read anyone mention that here) and had I not known that, I too, would've been p!$$D if the installer converted the FS without my consultation. Ramifications??? The other OS', Snow Leopard et al wouldn't have had access? I too was not particularly impressed about the installers' obnoxious behaviour, more so when I discovered the embedded firmware that they sneakily trying to update, nice, thanks for that.

I don't mind Apple simplifying and dumbing down the installer for the, err...dummies out there, but for the rest of the users, they deserve to be given the functionality to control the installer as they see fit.

Having to clone the OS to an external, boot off the external and update to avoid the file system conversion is a little irksome, although it does give the user a lesson in decent backup strategies.
 
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You make it sound like APFS is not working at all, but it's running fine on almost every iOS device and mac with high sierra.

By the way, APFS does support symbolic links. The thing it doesn't support is folder hard links.
 
Preview can't render clear pdf documents.
To use HEIF/HEVC you must install High Sierra, that is a problem. I downgraded to Sierra yesterday because High Sierra can't render a clear PDF, I paid $1000 for a phone and can't use HEIF/HEVC on Sierra. That's a problem.
None of what you posted is even remotely related to a file system. Preview is an app that is included in the OS, if its not rendering correctly, then its due to a bug in the app, not the file system. Why is HEIF/WEVX on Sierra even being dragged into a discussion of APFS which is on a different OS?
 
Gotta laugh at some of the comments from the kids here, yep just accept a file system written by Apple and we're all good, LOL.

this is apple's OS, and their new file system. that's how it works; they design what they want, and we buy it (and buy into it)... or not. that part's your choice. what happens with the tech is not. the file system IS critical, and... it's working beautifully for many people, on many devices.

all change implies growing pains, that's also how things work.

right now, the 10.13.4 public beta is running great here (btw). also not a kid (btw)...
 
Of course, at 20 something, you guys know it all, fck'd if I'd leave u lot to save the world !!!

Where are the user's ages displayed in here exactly?

I wish I were 20-something! My children are.

Anyway, this FS doesn't support symbolic links, (didn't read anyone mention that here)

I don't mind Apple simplifying and dumbing down the installer for the, err...dummies out there, but for the rest of the users, they deserve to be given the functionality to control the installer as they see fit.

If you are going to boldly dispense false information like APFS lacking support for symbolic links, I'm not sure the condescending comments against other users is advisable.
 
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Apple needed to do something eventually might as well do something sooner rather than later. HFS+ was an aging file system holding back performance and security features people have come to expect.
 
never cared much about AFPS as I'm still running sierra, but from one linked article :

Cons of apfs :

  • Compression is not available.

what the hell apple? OSX even compresses memory pages, why not files on disk? windoze is doing this for how long, 20 years now?
 
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...what the hell apple? OSX even compresses memory pages, why not files on disk? windoze is doing this for how long, 20 years now?
Compression is a file system feature. It is done on top of the file system, not in it. Microsoft’s file systems don’t do compression, the operating system does.
 
I beg to differ... for starters you cannot use NTFS compresion in a FAT volume :) so it definitely looks like a filesystem thing to me!!

here : https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ntdebugging/2008/05/20/understanding-ntfs-compression/
Oops. You’re right. I used wikipedia’s Comparison of file systems as a reference and that wasn’t in the table at all. But it seems to me that putting features like compression into the basic file system adds complexity and more avenues for bugs. Microsoft has a long history of making systems extraordinarily complex, while Apple’s history is generally one of keeping things simple and clean.
 
Anyway, this FS doesn't support symbolic links, (didn't read anyone mention that here) and had I not known that, I too, would've been p!$$D if the installer converted the FS without my consultation. Ramifications??? The other OS', Snow Leopard et al wouldn't have had access? I too was not particularly impressed about the installers' obnoxious behaviour, more so when I discovered the embedded firmware that they sneakily trying to update, nice, thanks for that.

That's... Just all misinformed, man. Symbolic links are of course supported. Hard links to directories are not. And that's rarely used outside of TM. In fact, the ln command for linking states that hard linking to a directories is inadvisable. Not just because APFS doesn't support it, but most FS' don't as far as I'm aware.
High Sierra is also far from the first OS X/macOS release to update your firmware alongside the OS update. That has happened many times before.
And of course older operating systems like Snow Leopard won't be compatible with APFS disks.

what the hell apple? OSX even compresses memory pages, why not files on disk? windoze is doing this for how long, 20 years now?

I don't see the big issue with that though. You can just compress your own data.
 
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I don't see the big issue with that though. You can just compress your own data.

guess you never used it then :)

transparent compression/decompression of files like in NTFS can be complex, even problematic at times but it is a very nice feature which is missing on macs since forever. especially with this recent move to expensive and small SSDs.

guess apple bets on 'ignorance is bliss' :)
 
transparent compression/decompression of files like in NTFS can be complex, even problematic at times but it is a very nice feature which is missing on macs since forever. especially with this recent move to expensive and small SSDs.


You're right that I have limited experience with it. I have tried it out, but not exactly much.
However, compression adds processing cycles and longer read/write times. If I want to have data compressed, i might as well use xz and choose myself how much the compression ratio matters to me compared to fast file access
 
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What is it that crashes and acts problematically for you? Unless ...Furthermore, APFS supports cool new technologies like ..... 99% stability.

Ok...i misquoted you on the 99% stability, which is in a 'nutshell' the apfs.bug...um feature. Not 100% reliable which kills the ssd, APFS is efficient in that capacity..
etc and so forth. the volume of search for mac ssd recovery, apfs, and HIGH sierra is not small...or rather low. So then, while the argument you present may in fact have some logic, like so much of life, the implementation is suspect.
 
Ok...i misquoted you on the 99% stability, which is in a 'nutshell' the apfs.bug...um feature. Not 100% reliable which kills the ssd, APFS is efficient in that capacity..
etc and so forth. the volume of search for mac ssd recovery, apfs, and HIGH sierra is not small...or rather low. So then, while the argument you present may in fact have some logic, like so much of life, the implementation is suspect.


I have absolutely no idea what you just said, and what you were quoting me on
 
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