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But it’s up to you installing a 3rd party store. I know I won’t be installing one, and most people will do the same, I suspect.

True but what do you do if an app you really want is only in a third party store?

1) You install and configure an additional app store and get the app

2) You don't get the app

3) Today: You get the app without installing an additional stores because developers feel forced to be in the App Store

#3 is the better choice for me. I don't even want #1 and #2 be possible.
 
Yeah, they're all insecure. It's silly that you give out your private key (the CC number) for any kind of payment, and they're even allowed to charge it in the future. Plus tons of personal details, which are another kind of private key, for partially guarding against that kind of fraud.
It's not silly, it's been that way for DECADES, and they aren't any less secure than Apple, who do you think Apple uses? And Apple card? It's not Apple, it's a THIRD PARTY COMPANY 🙄🙄🙄🙄
 
Oddly enough, that’s exactly what a lot of people here keep erroneously saying, that Apple was said to not be a monopoly in the affirmative.

They just hear what they want to hear, facts be damned.....
 
Oddly enough, that’s exactly what a lot of people here keep erroneously saying, that Apple was said to not be a monopoly in the affirmative.

The above doesn’t contradict what I said. And oddly enough people are making up their own interpretation.

There certainly can be additional efforts to label apple as monopolistic, but that finding did not come from this lawsuit. Saying a finding like that could come in the future is true; a bit of a deflection but true. It may also NOT come in the future.
 
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Sure I would like to get a list of Apple customers, google customers, facebook customers for free and then use their platforms without compensation. (in the case of facebook, no ads) I think that is fair, don't you? Let's give our platforms away. Right? Or, a dev could respect the TOS, since it's an opt-in agreement anyway. In the case of apple's platform, devs aren't forced to develop for IOS if they don't like the TOS. In the case of customers, if the iphone doesn't have the feature set wanted by the majority, vote with your dollars.
Developers already pay an annual fee to Apple for access to technical info and tools to develop apps. And where did you get the idea developers need or are asking for a list of customers? Does someone developing Mac or Windows apps need a list of computer customers from Apple or Microsoft? Do they charge developers for access to those platforms with no free alternative to distribute their own apps?
 
Visa and Mastercard are not banks, nor do they lend money.

Visa does not issue cards, extend credit or set rates and fees for consumers”


“Throughout the world, its principal business is to process payments between the banks of merchants and the card-issuing banks or credit unions of the purchasers who use the "Mastercard" brand debit, credit and prepaid cards to make purchases.”

Ok. Out of all of the hundreds of posts between us I stand corrected on this one. However one of the other posts above used the term surface attack and it’s apt and the point is well taken.(at least by some)

The only contention is I’m not clear in who the bank is with Amex so the point may not be 100%.
 
Developers already pay an annual fee to Apple for access to technical info and tools to develop apps. And where did you get the idea developers need or are asking for a list of customers? Does someone developing Mac or Windows apps need a list of computer customers from Apple or Microsoft? Do they charge developers for access to those platforms with no free alternative to distribute their own apps?
If you reread what you wrote, the court affirmed that apple is entitled to payments in its intellectual property.
 
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The above doesn’t contradict what I said. And oddly enough people are making up their own interpretation.

There certainly can be additional efforts to label apple as monopolistic, but that finding did not come from this lawsuit. Saying a finding like that could come in the future is true; a bit of a deflection but true. It may also NOT come in the future.
My intent wasn’t to contradict your statement specifically, but to point out to you that there are several people in this thread incorrectly stating that Apple was found not to be a monopoly in the affirmative. Go back through the comment chain to djphat2000’s post specifically.
 
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If they can successfully overturn the tiny aspects of the ruling that went against them, that's a total and complete victory for Apple and us supporters. We should be cheering them on to victory. I know I am.
It is a trillion-dollar company that cares 0 about you. Quit being a simp for huge companies. This should have been allowed years ago.
 
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Stop saying the judge decided they weren't a monopoly, that's a blatant lie, she said she was making no such decision and that only Epic failed to prove it 🙄🙄🙄
Well they aren’t a monopoly. There’s Android, people can get off apples backside now.
 
Ok. Out of all of the hundreds of posts between us I stand corrected on this one. However one of the other posts above used the term surface attack and it’s apt and the point is well taken.(at least by some)

The only contention is I’m not clear in who the bank is with Amex so the point may not be 100%.
I specifically didn’t bring up Amex, because unlike Visa and Mastercard, they do act like a bank in some respects.
 
Apple can't decide what prices developers charge, but they can demand a 30% cut of revenues for any payment which unlocks in-app features, even if the payment is performed outside of the app. This isn't even up for debate; it's clearly stated in the developer agreement and was explicitly affirmed by Judge Rogers in her ruling.
Interesting wording. On one hand the developer decides, on the other apple demands.
 
True but what do you do if an app you really want is only in a third party store?

1) You install and configure an additional app store and get the app

2) You don't get the app

3) Today: You get the app without installing an additional stores because developers feel forced to be in the App Store

#3 is the better choice for me. I don't even want #1 and #2 be possible.
Dont buy the app. Someone else will make a copy and place it in the App Store. It won't be any less expensive for the consumer in another App Store anyway.
 
It is a trillion-dollar company that cares 0 about you. Quit being a simp for huge companies. This should have been allowed years ago.
Why? The apps will not be less expensive in a another App Store, well they will probably be pirated so I guess they will be free.
 
It's not silly, it's been that way for DECADES, and they aren't any less secure than Apple, who do you think Apple uses? And Apple card? It's not Apple, it's a THIRD PARTY COMPANY 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Expect they will sell everything they know about you.
 
Wishing Apple loses all this trials. After Ape started killing many small businesses that relay on Facebook to sell, I really want to see them lose their monopoly power.

Life of no one has change now that iOs14 privacy thing is up, except for dying businesses.

Inside Apple ecosystem, we are all being tracked.

I always wished the best for Apple, I’m an apple user. Now that they have hurted my business and family support, I want them to lose all this monopolic power.

why not a whole App Store of free apps that track activity? And their App Store all paid apps.
Apple is not a Monopoly.I also hope they win and continuing winning. Epic doesn't care about you or small developers now do they.
 
Facebook makes there money off you
Errr, we were talking about what licensing fees Facebook pays to Apple for use of their intellectual property. The answer is they pay nothing because the way the App Store is structured means that apps that are free are subsidised by apps that cost money.
 
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