All Well and Good. As they should then be able to provide a nicely ordered spreadsheet. As these aren’t arbitrary costs as they have stated repeatedly the importance of their services as future source for growth.
No, eu doesn’t have anti apple agenda it treats everyone equal under the law. Sorry but can’t do as they wish they just complain the hardest.
Apple doesn't "artificaly limit consumer option and developer freedoms". A developer is free to program for any planform they want - Windows, Mac, iPhone, Android, or any of consoles. A consumer has the option of choosing any of those as their platform. All Apple is doing is the same thing car companies do.
That’s not how freedom works my friend. Perhaps in the USA. But in EU we consider the freedoms on the platform as well, for user.
And that is exactly why the EU is going to go downhill. Company has a great business model that is successful in the US. The EU says, not so fast, we want to appropriate your hardware so that you earn less revenue. Other businesses should be able to make a buck on the back of your hard work. Which companies in the right minds are going to release products in the climate? Yep Apple is there today and we don't know where this will end up.
And that is why EU will succeed as it cares about the health of the market not about singular successful corporations.
I don't know what Apple will do. But companies may in the future be wary of what is being released in the EU as what company in their right minds would want to have their business model appropriated. It will just mean less tech for the EU.
Not at all. Nothing is appropriated. Companies just can’t claim to own your private property without you.
Yes. It's my opinion a company would think twice if their revenue can be appropriated in what amounts to some draconian policy, The EU will ultimately get what it is sowing.
do you even know what this word appropriated even mean?
Would you not find it od if you purchased a Tesla and when you use the car for the first time you had to sign their EULA stating you can only buy parts from telsa and service it with them. OR bought a house and after you bought it you would find an EULA on the door stating you cant change the floors and must return the house unless agreed to?
Go to a car company and and try to buy the product of a competitor and see how well that works. As for the rest is the computer goes south see how well anybody that that company can fix the thing.
Not really as Tesla is not using off the shelf hardware and companies kind of have this already with their 5 to 10 year or so many miles warranties. The last thing Telsa would want is some clueless "I know what I am doing" yahoo trying to mess around with that kind of equipments.
Surprisingly there are agreements like this. It was part of the house I had in Las Cruces and was in the House cooperative agreement ...that is why it was so cheap. Never mind EULAs are available online before you buy. As the old adage goes "ignorance is no excuse" (Ignorantia juris non excusat) which goes all the way back to Aristotle or some 2,300 years.
Apple gave up on the gaming industry as they constantly had outdated GPU drivers for OpenGL and did not allow third-party drivers by the gpu manufacturer... it was not the other way around. if you constantly have subpar drivers making games work WORSE than windows on the same hardware is kind of pathetic...
You can already do that. as long as they have competing cars in their store. we have no problems in EU for competing service providers to fix both mechanical or digital problems.
well it's still allowed tho... so?
very interesting considering it payment information needed to use services that arent free... such as their charging network. How is this contradictory to anything i said? it's the equivalent of not having the right payment information for you cellphone carrier and loosing cell coverage became you failed to pay your bill.
Thats fascinating, when i bought my house corporate i had to sign the House cooperative agreement before any money moved hands. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, But it's still the sellers' responsibility to provide a contract, not the consumer to find it.
this is not relevant.I don't sign this online EULA before my purchase. would love apple proving i agreed to or signed this before purchase. It's the sellers responsibility. stop defending lazy corporate responsibility
The EU will ultimately get what it wants, dumbed down tech as is appropriates others companies intellectual property.
plese proove how any tech will be dumbed down becase apple dont know how to make proper legal user contracts.
It's my opinion. Nonetheless, you gonna tell corporations we are co-opting you hardware and business process and you will have to eat the difference to the tune of billions of dollars? Yeah, that goes over well.
I think our argument here is that, until they do something wrong we should leave it alone. I agree if they did something wrong and abused their power. Nail them to the cross. But, seriously we are pre-cog'n here (minority report). Did they break any rules? No, then carry on. Could they break the rules? Well, of course anyone "could". But, that is why we have courts and rules in place already. Are they doing something to harm consumers or competition? If that answer is no, then we need to stop wasting time here. This market came into existence with the rules we already had in place. It found equilibrium with the current 2 market leaders. While not stopping anyone else from jumping in with a new idea or piggy backing off of the existing Android platform. The Walled garden Apple is in literally limits their ability to be a world leader. They can't be on all devices, and they don't cater to all forms of users. They get to be different and on their own so long as they don't stop competition or cause any harm.
How does one verify it was performed to the same standard? If your using a 3rd party service to fix your Tesla (hypothetical). How can you or the shop prove it was done to standards? The whole point of an Authorized service center is to avoid such a thing. You shouldn't have to prove nor the shop that it was done to standards.
Okey, try to at least don’t lie then. Nothing is co-opted. Simply stating their contracts are invalid, illegal, unenforceable and waste of resources. Apple have lied and illegally claimed to own YOUR hardware and decide what other people do with their property.
Well they are harming customers, and they are doing something wrong. When the law in insufficient to prevent harm new legislation is introduced.
A market coming in to place with rules we have is not an argument. All markets we ever had came in to existence during their time with the rules of the time. And all markets have been regulated as we always noticed great harm comes to the market when some companies use innovative ways to do business that legislation didn’t think of.
And they will be free to do so forever. The only problem is apple are harming customers by preventing them to do what they wish with their hardware. The App Store is apples to do with, and the second an app is on the phone it’s ours to do with as we wish.
How? Simply by their procedures and guidelines that Tesla or BMW use to repair any of their cars according to their standards must be publicly available and any OEM part they use must be available to be purchased for a reasonable price. Or equivalent parts that fulfills the minimum requirement by the manufacturer can be used
This is a customer choice and therefore not their responsibility. if I replace the screen with a third party knock off or genuine part at a third party place. And this part is now my(3rd party shop) responsibility and not apples
I don’t need to know if it’s legitimate part or not. It can just be mandated the part must have the same standard, and they are liable for the work they do.
Exactly, I would have to prove I did nothing wrong with my device and it’s a manufacturing defect, apple would just need to prove third third party repair is relevant and refuse warranty service or do it att cost if the consumer is willing.
The consumer is absolutely not right in EU.
Correct. In fact, Frank Farrington in 1914 and 1915 wrote two articles on the issues with this mindset.
Very interesting read, but it doesn’t change that customers aren’t right in EU in a legal way. They just have protections from corporate abuse and more freedom with responsibility attached to it.
