Apple Files Expert Witness Testimony Ahead of Upcoming Trial With Epic

[digitalrampage]

It should be: "The witnesses will rebut claims made by Epic's witnesses, and will argue the merits of the ‌App Store‌ rules and policies for small and medium sized developers and their customers.". Only Epic and a few other huge multibillion dollar companies win if Apple lose this for us.

The problem isn't that Apple chose to get rid of them, they chose to ignore Apple's policy for using their services and refused to negotiate a deal. They wanted to collect all of the profits of in-app purchases without paying anything to the service that made it possible. Sorry, Epic is in the wrong here.

What service is that exactly? The monopoly service that no one else is allowed to partake? Imagine this is 1985 and you are only allowed to buy Apple II software from Apple, and no one else is allowed to open up a competing store.
when you get home and open your Apple II game, there is a voucher in there to buy more stuff. But when Apple finds out they stop selling all of your stuff in their store because the only option you had was to accept a “my way or the Highway” deal...

 

[digitalrampage]

It should be: "The witnesses will rebut claims made by Epic's witnesses, and will argue the merits of the ‌App Store‌ rules and policies for small and medium sized developers and their customers.". Only Epic and a few other huge multibillion dollar companies win if Apple lose this for us.

The problem isn't that Apple chose to get rid of them, they chose to ignore Apple's policy for using their services and refused to negotiate a deal. They wanted to collect all of the profits of in-app purchases without paying anything to the service that made it possible. Sorry, Epic is in the wrong here.

What service is that exactly? The monopoly service that no one else is allowed to partake? Imagine this is 1985 and you are only allowed to by Apple II software from Apple, and no one else is allowed to open up a competing store.
when you get home and open your Apple II game, there is a voucher in there to buy more stuff. But when Apple finds out they stop selling all of your stuff in their store because the only option you had was to accept a “my way or the Highway” deal

If you are in my home I’d expect you to follow my rules and show some respect. If you feel it’s too difficult to do that you can either get out or don’t come in. It’s simple as hell.

see to me it’s more like Apple owns the estate and they have to approve all the people living on estate. But they don’t want two doctors, or two scientists if they have their own doctor and scientist. Also if you look funny or talk against the estates leaders then Ooft.
the outcome is “Pleasantville”. A utopia. But maybe you move in small and then later you account for massive amounts of income to Pleasantville. You might feel a little annoyed to pay 15-30% of every dollar for literally nothing but a platform. In the church they call it tithing

 

[amartinez1660]

Good move, have multiple experts written testimonies available to use to question the basis of this trial.

Can’t really argue with the point that epics customers could go online a make purchases. Isn’t that what Spotify customers do? Last time I ordered something from Amazon, I didn’t see vendors advertising their own web stores. Although I used to find products on Amazon, then buy them direct from sellers so I didn’t have to pay Amazon tax. Then I got burned Amazon policies are way better. Now I go the Amazon route

same thing. If Amazon can do it, so can other companies

I really don’t know what can Epic say here, the opposite? “the market share/power is not between 27% to 35%”, “third party AppStore’s don’t account to 99.9% of the malware found”, and then what, come up with numbers that aren’t true? Like 51% of market share and 0.1% malware available?

On the topic of finding shortcuts, myself too only go to known retailers or Apple directly and Apple care if it makes sense... the couple of times I have had to use it have transformed my week from possible hell to a barely felt incident for example.

Apple has a 100% share of their platform even if they sold just one iPhone. It’s kinda their whole selling point and shocker - many people don’t actually dislike the walled garden and the benefits it offers. That’s why Apple is as rich as it is - because it provides great experiences that we users are more than willing to pay a premium for.

I support the App Store for the same reason that I buy and own so many Apple products - I love the user experience that it enables.

So why would I be in favour of a judgement that would make a product worse to use for myself?

I truly believe that all these antitrust lawsuits, fines and fees for rules violations (which we as the “affected” will never see a penny of that anyways), Epic and Co moves, etc do not take into account nor ask the customers what they think about it... I’m also on the Apple ecosystem exactly because of how close and tight it is. Unpacking an iMac and plugging (the only cable) to the power outlet ensures that as soon as it’s turned on it will be a 100% ready to use machine without the headaches of installing Bluetooth, video card, sound, webcam, etc, etc drivers. It will work with any nearby device like iPad and iPhones too out of the box. Provided that they haven’t messed up big time like as of late with some OS updates, I’ll give that.

What service is that exactly? The monopoly service that no one else is allowed to partake? Imagine this is 1985 and you are only allowed to by Apple II software from Apple, and no one else is allowed to open up a competing store.
when you get home and open your Apple II game, there is a voucher in there to buy more stuff. But when Apple finds out they stop selling all of your stuff in their store because the only option you had was to accept a “my way or the Highway” deal

see to me it’s more like Apple owns the estate and they have to approve all the people living on estate. But they don’t want two doctors, or two scientists if they have their own doctor and scientist. Also if you look funny or talk against the estates leaders then Ooft.
the outcome is “Pleasantville”. A utopia. But maybe you move in small and then later you account for massive amounts of income to Pleasantville. You might feel a little annoyed to pay 15-30% of every dollar for literally nothing but a platform. In the church they call it tithing

When developing for Nintendo I have to follow Nintendo rules and agreements signed. If I don’t like it I can go to Sony and follow their rules and agreements. If I don’t like it I can go to Xbox. If I don’t like Apple I can go to Google’s (in the case of Epic they didn’t like Google’s house rules either).
But in any case, if this Pleasantville is so nasty and bad, why are people so hellbent on wanting in... on the contrary, head the opposite way, the farther the better, go feed the platforms that are supposed to be better, lead by example. Epic should do like a lot of Californians and companies are doing, moving elsewhere where the rules accommodate them and works for BOTH parties involved.