Apple Files FCC Application to Test Next-Generation 5G Wireless Technology

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple is planning to test next-generation 5G wireless technologies, according to an application document filed with the FCC and discovered by Business Insider.

    Apple applied for an experimental license to test wireless technology on millimeter wave spectrum bands. Millimeter wave bands provide higher bandwidth and throughput up to 10Gb/s, but are limited by line of sight issues that cause problems in dense urban areas.
    Apple will test the technology in two locations in Milpitas and Cupertino over a period of time that is not expected to exceed 12 months, using equipment sourced from Rohde and Schwarz, A.H. Systems, and Analog Devices. Apple will use the 28 and 39 GHz bands, which were among those opened up by the FCC last year for the purpose of next-generation 5G broadband.

    It's not entirely clear why Apple is planning to test millimeter wave performance or the purpose behind the testing. Cellular carriers like AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile are currently testing 5G networks in preparation to deploy the next-generation technology in the coming years.

    Apple could perhaps be preparing its future iPhones to take advantage of 5G technology, or the company may have some other purpose in mind. As Business Insider points out, the 28GHz band in particular could be of interest as it has been earmarked for earth-to-space transmissions, an area Apple has been exploring based on recent hires with satellite expertise.

    Article Link: Apple Files FCC Application to Test Next-Generation 5G Wireless Technology
  2. Zarniwoop, May 23, 2017
    Last edited: May 23, 2017

    Zarniwoop macrumors 65816

    Aug 12, 2009
    West coast, Finland
  3. Andres Cantu macrumors 68030

    Andres Cantu

    May 31, 2015
    Rio Grande Valley in South Texas
    Hope it doesn't take as long as LTE did in the iPhone 5.
  4. nvmls macrumors 6502a


    Mar 31, 2011
  5. djbuddha macrumors 6502


    Aug 7, 2011
    I'm in Canada where our highest LTE plans are close to 10 GB with text and calling which is around $90 if you argue for hours and threaten to leave the carrier in question. I hope 5G takes off in the US... it could help us in the end. We'd kill our 6 GB plans in seconds with 5G as we don't have unlimited options on the larger carriers.

    Meanwhile in Toronto, internet uses you :mad:
  6. Zarniwoop macrumors 65816

    Aug 12, 2009
    West coast, Finland
    Apple could put mini 5G cell tower inside the homeDepotStationWhateverTM, and rent it to the operator.
  7. lkrupp macrumors 6502a

    Jul 24, 2004
    It’s beginning to look like DSL, cable modems, and even fiber optics to the home are circling the drain. It will be much cheaper for service providers to build a tower and put an antenna on your home than to run copper, coax, or fiber to your house. Virtually no infrastructure maintenance and very high speed. Let’s hope the engineering hurdles get overcome quickly. The vast majority of homes will do just fine with a 1gigabit wireless connection.
  8. yeah macrumors 6502a


    Jul 12, 2011
    Keep in mind that with all bandwidths being equal, any frequency has the same speed/capacity.

    5G will be powered with 200 MHz carriers (bandwidth) and massive MIMO technologies. Millimeter wave frequencies are the extremely high capacity parts of the equation. This means that all frequencies will be used for 5G.
  9. Rtiid22 macrumors newbie

    Aug 21, 2013
    Hopefully now we'll be throttled to 3G vs the none useable 2g!​
  10. dominiongamma macrumors 68000

    Oct 19, 2014
    Tempe, Arizona
    They did it at the right time. The first let phone was the thunderbolt on Verizon and battery was so battery. Apple waited and got it right.
  11. LordQ Suspended


    Sep 22, 2012
  12. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3


    Nov 26, 2007
    It's weird how we've gone from having rumors about maybe Apple competing with Elon Musk's Tesla to maybe Apple competing with Elon Musk's SpaceX... or perhaps being a customer of SpaceX.

    For those unaware, SpaceX's main plan for making money is to make a satellite internet service. They plan for it to be much more lucrative then simply launching rockets.
  13. 0007776 Suspended


    Jul 11, 2006
    By the time carriers get to that you'll probably be thinking 3G is unusable.
  14. Glideslope macrumors 603


    Dec 7, 2007
    A quiet place in NY.
  15. Attirex macrumors 6502a


    Apr 8, 2015
    "Apple should focus on upgrading MACS (sic) instead..." reply in 3...2....1......
  16. MrGuder macrumors 68030

    Nov 30, 2012
    Let's see, Apple should have this implemented across devices by what 2025?
  17. lostngone macrumors 65816


    Aug 11, 2003
    I really do not like this 1,2,3,4 and now 5 "G" term. It is nothing more than marketing wank.
  18. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    That's not true at all.

    1. The cost of building an entire network from almost the ground up would be huge. You're talking about billions of dollars to build something like this.
    2. It takes anywhere from 2 months to 2 years to get approval for a permit to build a wireless tower. While you may be able to get approval quickly in the middle of nowhere in Texas, it's currently around 2 years for approval in areas like San Francisco or NYC. It would be a LONG time before they could create a decent network.
    3. You're ignoring data caps. Right now the average home uses 190GB per month and that number is only rising as video becomes more and more popular. Which carrier is going to be cool with streaming truly unlimited data with no speed caps?
    4. Why would an existing provider who is currently making money and has existing infrastructure want to make this huge left turn and go a completely different direction? There's no need. At home, you don't need wireless. You aren't going anywhere.
    5. Wireless isn't a great solution for homes. Many currently struggle with signal issues and other problems due to the location of their home. Traditional cable modem, fiber, and DSL solve this issue by bringing reliable service into the home.
    Sorry, but it'll be a very long time before we see these technologies replaced by wireless.
  19. farewelwilliams macrumors 68020

    Jun 18, 2014
    apple should just be a carrier so we can stop dealing with AT&T's/Verizon's BS. one plan that works worldwide would be AMAZING
  20. HelpfulGuy macrumors member


    May 23, 2017
    Will they also release a special tin-foil iPhone to protect our brains from the radiation?
  21. predation macrumors 65816

    Apr 3, 2013
    I'm thrsty for some 1gig action.
  22. Brian Clifford macrumors regular

    Brian Clifford

    Oct 23, 2016
  23. entropys macrumors 6502a


    Jan 5, 2007
    Brisbane, Australia
    But the carriers wouldn't be building a network from the ground up. They already have fibre backhaul. They already have towers, they already have a customer base. they might be making money now, but they want to also make money in the future. That requires supporting customers who happen to be increasingly mobile, and minimised infrastructure costs, including R&M. As for data caps, which would ramp up capacity more quickly, building up capacity on a tower, or laying new cables?

    A line will always be faster. Wireless however, is mobile, more easily updated, replaced more quickly, and [eventually] will lower costs both for the provider and the the customer. You might not be going anywhere, but Wireless customers certainly are.

    I am on 100 Mbps cable at home, but on my 4GX network I have got over 180 Mbps on my iPhone. I saw the future when I ran speedtest that day.
  24. vertical smile macrumors 68040

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    If your data use habits don't change, then you wouldn't have to worry about going through your 6GB plans too quickly.

    I agree with you about the carriers takin advantage though. Even at a discount, I feel like my families cellular plan is way too much money for what we get.

    I am not so sure about that, at least in the US.

    Two big reasons why this wouldn't happen. One being that is these speeds are theoretical. Majority of users don't even come close to the fastest theoretical LTE speeds. In the US, average LTE speeds are a tiny fraction to the maximum theoretical.

    Another reason being the current data caps that wireless carriers currently have would be way too low for even a light internet user at home.

    Also, what this poster said:

  25. JPLC macrumors 6502

    Dec 20, 2011

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