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Sadly, freedom is becoming more difficult to find in America. Most hard right-wingers appear ready to use force to achieve their goals if cheating doesn't work. Many hard left-wingers want to impose their views too, but so far vastly fewer of them appear willing to cheat or kill to make it happen. If things don't get better, that may change.
Both political parties and isles are equally to blame. I hate how divided things are nowadays.
 
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I never said no regulation at all, obviously some limited regulation is still needed. However, I would like to add that red tape actually prevents innovations in green energy from happening faster.
Brexiters wanted to leave the EU to avoid "red tape".
Now they are swimming in rivers full of poop. 💩

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Your definition of "harm" is different. You consider the inability to download apps from the internet as "harm". Not being able to download apps is not harmful, it does not cause illness or mental issues nor violates the consumers ability to get an Android device.
This is not open for debate. EU citizens already elected governments and parliaments, who debated the issue and came to the conclusion that these specific regulations are needed. Apple's choices are: proactively following the law or having the law enforced upon themselves. Or the non-option of leaving the EU market and its half a billion customers. To legally challenge the EU commission's interpretation of EU law in front of an EU court won't completely overthrow everything.
 
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This is not a smart idea. People do have options like Android or jailbreak their iPhones. No one needs this people just say they want it. Few will actually use it and it opens everyone else up to more security and privacy issues.

Instead of alternate app stores offer better payment options for the developers and other ways to transact their Apps. For all the hate the App store gets for its vetting process I guarantee it will be much worse when installing apps from outside of the store. Image Facebook doesn’t have to abide by the App Store policies and posts Apps that harvest more data and didn’t get vetted by Apple because they don’t have to. iOS can only do so much against smart developers. Now image the app isn’t free like FB and they want your data. They offer a cheaper one through an alternative site that collects even more data. People will flock to the discounted one not knowing they are giving up more of their info.

People store way more of their personal information on their phones as opposed to their computers. Your computer doesn’t also follow you around to everywhere you go for location data. All of this is stuff that people want to protect against for many good reasons. Thinking the iPhone is just like the Mac is ignorant thinking and Apple themselves said that if they could’ve done it differently they would’ve had a closed system on Macs but it was a much earlier time.


You can't "simply jailbreak" any phone these days.
ARM secure boot with a signed bootloader is hard to break. There is a reason why there aren't any current jailbreaks or exploits for Apple and Samsung phones.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a customer owning their device and being able to install apps from wherever they choose. This is about money for Apple.

Support isn't an issue, because they can always say "reset to factory and only use supported apps for support".

There is no inherent risk to your personal information. Frankly my Mac isote of a concern for theft of information. I have my whole financial life ony Mac. I have tax returns, paystubs, W2, investment information along with logins for everything. My phone does not have nearly the volume of financial information that's on my Mac.
 
Tell that to Android phone users robbed of billions of dollars by fake apps.

Tell that to Apple users that have been installing fake apps from the Apple store.

Android is not the only victim. Also people have to give those apps permission on Android. I have been using Android since 2009 and have not lost any personal info.
 
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Again, we are talking about phone apps, you are going on a different topic.
No, we are talking EU market regulation versus US non-regulation. Neither USB-C charging ports nor replaceable batteries or cross-platform messaging are bound to the AppStore compulsion issue. The EU will regulate digital markets in every which way it sees fit to ensure its stated regulatory goals.

Where we are going, we don't need roads!
 
It's not a monopoly if you can just buy an Android phone.
And that's why Samsung sells tons of Galaxy handsets.
I have a Galaxy S23 Ultra and refuse to buy an iPhone because both Apple and Google have banned good ad blockers from their stores. With Android I can go outside the ecosystem and sideload a good ad blocker. Not possible on Apple.

For that reason alone, I'll never own an iPhone until I can sideload.
 
And limiting the user’s choice to install apps is harming both the consumer and the app market as a whole. That’s why Apple must be forced to allow side-loading independent from Apple’s AppStore rules. I’m glad we agree!
No it’s not. Nobody is under any threat, coercion, to buy an iPhone, use their services or be in the developer program.
 
Taking this to a physical POV.
If a company opens a shop. To prevent them from having a monopoly in that shop, the EU is forcing them to sell to other peoples things in them without going through the original owner. This is essentially what it boils down to.
Dislike this and think side-loading is BS. Don't like the game? Open your own shop.
 
Please note that Bill Maher starts with: ... Here in America ... Which makes his rant indeed off-topic. A few years back German media lectured its readers, how much faster China builds airports than Berlin with all our hindering regulations. Now we hear reports of Tofu-Dreg projects in China, which crumble on the slightest touch. Turns out to build anything with durability and longevity, you need lots of regulations.
 
I told them they could impliment sideloading now or be forced to kicking and screaming. I see Apple chose the kicking and screaming route. My favorite 🍿

Man the sideloading update can't come fast enough. I can't wait. I'll probably upgrade my iPhone when it arrives.
Apple will try hard to keep it region locked to the EU I’m sure.
 
That’s backwards thinking - ie throwing the baby out with the bath water. As I’ve said a few times the EU should develop a platform to its’ liking for its citizenry.
That's exactly what the EU is doing. We are building the EU market and Apple Inc. is just one corporation running on our platform. Oh sorry, you thought capitalist rule the world?? 🤣
 
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Apple will try hard to keep it region locked to the EU I’m sure.

It's not just the EU mandating this. The Japanese Diet passed similar legislation this year too. So they're gonna have to enable sideloading for Japan as well. And there are other nations looking at Apple throughout this whole thing and will most likely pass their own legislation forcing Apple to open up.

They can stall it as much as they want but it's ultimately futile. Sideloading is coming whether Apple, and it's ravenous and misguided fanboys, want it to or not. Even President Biden said Apple should allow alternative app stores so if you think Apple will be safe in their home country you are sorely mistaken.
 
From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html:
Apple added that it removed apps only to comply with Chinese laws. “These decisions are not always easy, and we may not agree with the laws that shape them,” the company said. “But our priority remains creating the best user experience without violating the rules we are obligated to follow.”
There ya go Apple, now shut up and stop being a sore loser. Maybe treat the EU, actually passing some sensible pro-consumer regulations, with the same respect you give the Chinese government’s bigotry and censorship.
 
No it’s not. Nobody is under any threat, coercion, to buy an iPhone, use their services or be in the developer program.
The mass effect with Apple lock-in does, it’s like a blackhole once the critical mass is reached it keeps sucking more and more people into the system, and if you don’t take part of it, you die. That’s why regulation exists and must be extended over and over again to cover new markets and situations.
 
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I can see the EU's argument about Apple and the AppStore being a gatekeeper. It probably is. But do we really want no gatekeeper at all? I know that there's some crap in the AppStore, but with side-loading enabled people who don't know any better will be encouraged to download endless amounts of next-level dangerous crap onto their phones. If Apple is forced to completely open up, I suspect we'll see a dramatic rise in people asking for help after their savings or identity have been stolen. Maybe better the devil you know.
 
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It's not just the EU mandating this. The Japanese Diet passed similar legislation this year too. So they're gonna have to enable sideloading for Japan as well. And there are other nations looking at Apple throughout this whole thing and will most likely pass their own legislation forcing Apple to open up.

They can stall it as much as they want but it's ultimately futile. Sideloading is coming whether Apple, and its ravenous and misguided fanboys, want it to or not. Even President Biden said Apple should allow alternative app stores so if you think Apple will be safe in their home country you are sorely mistaken.
Biden can’t pass legislation without congress. Plenty of people in congress with corporate overlords to please and getting any pro-consumer legislation through there is an exercise in futility. It sure would be nice but I don’t have my hopes up.
 
Taking this to a physical POV.
If a company opens a shop. To prevent them from having a monopoly in that shop, the EU is forcing them to sell to other peoples things in them without going through the original owner. This is essentially what it boils down to.
Dislike this and think side-loading is BS. Don't like the game? Open your own shop.
I already addressed this "physical POV". The EU is not forcing anyone to sell anything on their shop. They are forcing a shop owner to stop preventing customers from going to other shops.
 
From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html:

There ya go Apple, now shut up and stop being a sore loser. Maybe treat the EU, actually passing some sensible pro-consumer regulations, with the same respect you give the Chinese government’s bigotry and censorship.
Oh, no! It's absolutely fine to challenge the EU commission in court. That's the intended purpose of a legal system. Governments can abuse their power and need to be checked to follow their own rules and regulations. It's just that Apple doesn't have a good case here.
 
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