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This is terrible news. Thats guy had a family and its crap like this that makes me feel like this is going to be my last Apple product. Firing a guy during christmas who know doubt worked his tail off to make a mapping solution for Apple. So what the project was a failure. I would love to hear this guys version of the story

To put a positive spin on it, he's a higher up at Apple. Chances are good he made a ton of cash while there, got a decent severance package, and has a good reference for his resume.

Still...it probably does suck getting fired at Christmas.
 
This is terrible news. Thats guy had a family and its crap like this that makes me feel like this is going to be my last Apple product. Firing a guy during christmas who know doubt worked his tail off to make a mapping solution for Apple. So what the project was a failure. I would love to hear this guys version of the story

lol. The new thing to be "outraged" about in America: any company that fires a poorly performing employee within an arbitrary timeframe of Christmas.
 
Lets hope they implement biking, walking, and especially transit directions in the future. And also improve all the other areas of the Map!

I'm up for an upgrade, but refuse to get an iPhone 5 until Maps and POIs are fixed!
 
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Apple,

Just buy tomtom already and make their maps (with voice navigation) yours.

You know that the purchase would barely make a dent in your corporate surplus anyways.

What's stopping you? Anti-trust?

fixed...


Google is a major competitor and probably asks a higher price... idk about you but I have the the TOMTOM USA app and i flat out LOVE IT as a navigation app and i lean on it heavily

Apple, for crying out loud, we dont need 3D maps, i dont care about siri giving me travel tips, just give me a reliable turn by turn and ability to paste in an address or look up something and choose it as my destination.... ala TOMTOM

as mentioned earlier... i could care less about Apple's current maps issue, but it sucks for people who arent willing to shell out $$ for a navigation app... they're struggling right now :(

p.s. put it this way... my mom was in town by herself for a friends family funeral(ATL) (and i was leaving town for work) and isnt familiar with the city... i didnt have any confidence in Apple's Maps and or the ease of use of it and i paid $40 to get her TomTom USA... it doesnt get any easier than that app... my mom can use it

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This is terrible news. Thats guy had a family and its crap like this that makes me feel like this is going to be my last Apple product. Firing a guy during christmas who know doubt worked his tail off to make a mapping solution for Apple. So what the project was a failure. I would love to hear this guys version of the story

dude thats a great sentiment, but out here in Consulting/IT... its all about high risk, high reward...

trust me, that dude probably has a new job in something that is a stronger suit in his skillset..

not to be pessimistic, but high-up apple ex-employees arent struggling in life

im not saying that its funny or cool that he lost his job, but he'll be ok
 
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In the same way that the antenna did on the iPhone 4, so they never thought there would be a problem anywhere else.

Maybe all this "super secrecy" ***** doesn't actually work after all. Things need to be roadtested properly.

iOS wasn't tested properly.
OSX wasn't tested properly.
iTunes wasn't tested properly.
iTunes Match wasn't tested properly.

They need to HIRE testers who actually use the products specifically as contractors.
 
This is further proof that software was really being overlooked in the past year in favor of selling hardware (product refresh to EVERY line). Did no one look at maps and say "somethings wrong here". Steve was a visionary whereas Cook is a hardware guy. He wants to sell as many devices as possible and doesn't have the same "hands-on" approach.

I hate to say this but Steve would have not let Maps go out the door until they were much more polished.
And now a hardware guy has basically the most important job at Apple. :)
 
iPhone 5 = best launch iPhone in history I believe. We have several in the family and have not had any bend or scratch.

My iPhone 5 is perfect as well. Also, pretty much every review I've read of the iPad mini gave it high marks in spite of the inferior display...because of the design/build quality. The form factor/ thin and light design is basically what's selling that tablet.

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Great, now why don't they just swallow there silly pride and stick Google Maps bak into iOS so we can all be happy? Oh and fix the mess of a bluetooth stack iOS has.

You think it's that simple to just stick Google maps back on iOS? :confused:
 
I've been using the Maps app since like June and haven't had any problems. What's it doing for the rest of you? Like guiding you into a lake? Hahaha you guys are like Dwight Shrute.
Where do I start? The biggest train stations in Tokyo (some of the biggest and busiest stations in the world) still don't exist on Apple Maps, which makes the app useless in a country that's built around public transit.
 
Before iOS6, I was using the TomTom app. After the release of iOS6, I started using the Maps app and it has worked fine for me. Specially with the Siri integration- I was visiting family for thanksgiving and told Siri to give me directions from the airport to the relative's home since the address is in my contacts and I'm not familiar with the city....It worked perfectly!
 
If you live around and use public transit a lot, Apple Maps is a disaster. If you live in Orlando or (pick arbitrary Midwest city) I'm sure it's fine for you.

For me, just counting down the last few months for my contract to be up, and Android phone, here I come.
 
Apple's top execs gambled that they could thumb their nose at Google and lost, so they blame the middle management/dev team that was stuck trying to make up a decade of design/development history.

Let's be clear, these were bad top executive, business-level decisions and the rest is just spin.

I would not be surprised if this dates back to some angry Steve Job's decision to kick Google to the curb. None of this happened overnight, it was a long-term business decision.
 
of course the details should be scale appropriate but what's so appropriate about having to zoom in to every street individually to see the traffic flow direction? It's not appropriate, it's just nuts.

Okay, if it's what you personally expect, it must be nuts.

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Why do you want it clutter free? It's not like Google Maps is more distracting. Clutter free maps are useless maps.

This is so wrong, it's difficult to know where to start. How about first principles of cartography? Clutter is not information, it is clutter. By definition.
 
Richard Williamson, who oversaw the mapping team, was fired by Senior Vice President Eddy Cue, said the people, who asked not to be named because the information wasn't yet public. Cue, who took over last month as part of a management shakeup, is seeking advice from outside mapping-technology experts and prodding digital maps provider TomTom NV to fix landmark and navigation data it shares with Apple.

Holy run-on sentences Batman!
 
My dashboard mounted Garmin Nuvi still works great. Although every time I boot up it tells me my maps are outdated and I should update them. Come on... I only bought it 8 years ago. :rolleyes:
 
The moment the Google version of the Maps app becomes available in the App store is the moment that Apple's ability to gather the mapping data it needs will be severely constrained. Millions will switch to using Google's Maps app whenever possible.

Apple should abandon the folly of trying to reinvent the wheel. Google is just too good at this stuff. Apple should spend its energy on forging a workable agreement with Google that allows Apple to use Google's mapping data, complete with turn-by-turn directions.

I would like to upgrade to iOS 6 but that isn't happening until I have Google Maps data as the default mapping app on my iOS device. Until then, iOS 5 and Apple's legacy iOS 5 Maps app with Google data will serve just fine. Street View is a LOT more important to me than Flyover.

Mark
 
Does Apple have a few unmanned driving vehicles to photograph the world?
Hmmm, I've never seen where Google uses their self-driving cars to do any Street View photography. :confused:

According to the article you linked to, humans are still required behind the wheel of the self-driving cars. So they're not quit unmanned yet.

As much as some people pitch a fit when they see a normal Street View vehicle driving around, it'll be amusing to see how they react in a few years when/if self-driving Street View vehicles exist! :D
 
I can only speak for myself, but I've used it in 4 major metropolitan areas across the country and haven't encountered any real problems (no more than Google).

You can consider that fanboy talk. But for me its fact.

Same here. I guess we are lucky :)

Really, almost everyone I know has been satisfied with Apple Maps and doesn't have any of the issues that have been talked about.
 
Prediction: spoken turn-by-turn navigation will be Jony Ive's voice. :cool:

Well they've got to do something about that voice. Its got a serious speech impediment - at least in the UK. It can't pronounce words ending in 'y'. Instead of saying "In twenty miles, turn onto the A34 for Witney" it says "In twentuh miles, turn on to A thurtuh four for Witnuh".

It drives me nuts!
 
Erm, yeap. They could at least accept the Google App if nothing else, but it's not hard for Apple to pug Google Maps back into iOS.
When did Apple say they weren't going to accept Google's app?
 
I think that is really a mean thing to do - to fire someone just because a product didn't turn out perfectly.

You gonna fire everybody that makes a mistake? That would leave no one to make your shiny Apple products.

Of course there might have been things going on that weren't made public. But on the face of it, it just seems unfair.

Highly successful companies don't reward mediocrity.
 
Apple bills itself as a company that produces a superior product and for which it charges a premium price.
If you lay claim to that, when you produce something that's less than stellar (and in my opinion, this MapCrapApp IS, at least that!), as a company you take the hit, learn from it and move on.
AND, you hold people who were responsible accountable.
Let's not forget that the problem with Maps didn't come out of the blue. For months, developers told Apple there were huge issues. None of them were addressed. They released a product with major flaws IN SPITE OF having those flaws pointed out to them. And when you do that for a company that touts itself as the best in the business as Apple does and YOU are the head of the team that produces the mess, you lose your job. I don't think any of this should be considered shocking.
 
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