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212rikanmofo

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Finally they are doing things right again and not super obsessed with the stupid "thinness" trend. The newer MBP seems to be more function over form and that's a great thing for usability. We don't spend a great deal of money on our macs just to admire it and put it in our homes as a decor piece. We want to use it! I am glad that they have added HDMI port, kept the 3.5mm jack, re-added the magsafe adapter, SD card slot, and bigger batteries. Some of this wouldn't have been possible had it been for Jony Ive's obsession with thinness and form over function. Although I really wish the new macbook pro would have user replaceable batteries, memory and SSD. That would be awesome. I miss the days where we can simply buy a new battery and simply plug it back in without having the complications of opening up our machines. That's the only thing I still don't like about Apple. I don't like the idea of non user replaceable batteries, memory and storage. They need to change that.
 

Warped9

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the MacBook Pro 14 is actually a smidgen thinner than the Pro 13, but it doesn’t have the tapered edges of the 13’s design. As such the 13 looks thinner as judged from its tapered edges, but is actually a bit thicker than the new 14. The thickness of the 14 and supposed thinness of the 13 is actually an intended illusion of each design.

By eliminating the 13’s tapered edges, just as they eliminated the rounded edges of the iPad Pro design, they created more internal space for upgraded hardware.
 

212rikanmofo

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the MacBook Pro 14 is actually a smidgen thinner than the Pro 13, but it doesn’t have the tapered edges of the 13’s design. As such the 13 looks thinner as judged from its tapered edges, but is actually a bit thicker than the new 14. The thickness of the 14 and supposed thinness of the 13 is actually an intended illusion of each design.

By eliminating the 13’s tapered edges, just as they eliminated the rounded edges of the iPad Pro design, they created more internal space for upgraded hardware.
You are correct on that.
 

Vermifuge

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Although I really wish the new macbook pro would have user replaceable batteries, memory and SSD. That would be awesome. I miss the days where we can simply buy a new battery and simply plug it back in without having the complications of opening up our machines. That's the only thing I still don't like about Apple. I don't like the idea of non user replaceable batteries, memory and storage. They need to change that.
 

Warped9

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If the RAM is integrated with the processor then that would preclude it being easily user replaceable or upgradable since you would have to replace the processor as well. If the RAM were still separate then you would be little or no better off than you were before and not have the benefits of integrated memory. Furthermore doesn’t the integrated RAM contribute to the M chip‘s efficiency in terms of not requiring as much RAM as you would normally require with a previous conventional separate processor and RAM card setup?

Or am I getting something wrong?
 
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MajorFubar

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I believe the Right To Repair movement has had an impact on the design of these new laptops. I doubt we'll ever see the ability up user-upgrade the memory again, because the new SOC just cannot work that way as far as I can see, but batteries, yes.
 
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Argon_

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I believe the Right To Repair movement has had an impact on the design of these new laptops. I doubt we'll ever see the ability up user-upgrade the memory again, because the new SOC just cannot work that way as far as I can see, but batteries, yes.

It definitely has. There must also be a pro repair faction within Apple. The 2018 MBA chassis has the same battery replacement method as the new Pros, despite the design similarities to the '16 Pro.
 

TechRunner

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The concept of upgradeable Apple laptops flies in the face of planned obsolescence ;)

Seriously, I honestly see Apple comtinuing to move in the opposite direction. I would gladly be proven wrong on that, though.
 

GuruZac

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I wish I had more use for macOS because I’d love to add a 16” MacBook Pro. I think Apple absolutely nailed it and apparently so do reviewers and users here. They literally delivered on almost every single thing that was complained about over the last several years. I remember not so long ago people arguing that Apple was neglecting the Mac to sell more iPads and iPhones… we know how that all turned out.
 

MajorFubar

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@GuruZac I think it all depends what you need a computer/tablet to do for you. I can't take take iPads seriously until they can run Logic Pro and Final Cut. The amateur grade apps on iPads just don't cut it for me ATM. Which is kind of frustrating considering a decent modern iPad will wipe the floor with my nine year old 2012 Macbook Pro in terms of paper specifications and benchmark speeds, but I can literally do more with my ten year old computer.

But that doesn't mean an iPad isn't the right machine for another person.
 

ed.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the MacBook Pro 14 is actually a smidgen thinner than the Pro 13, but it doesn’t have the tapered edges of the 13’s design. As such the 13 looks thinner as judged from its tapered edges, but is actually a bit thicker than the new 14. The thickness of the 14 and supposed thinness of the 13 is actually an intended illusion of each design.

By eliminating the 13’s tapered edges, just as they eliminated the rounded edges of the iPad Pro design, they created more internal space for upgraded hardware.
that's correct if you consider the thickness with the closed laptop. With the 13 and 14 side by side you can notice a difference in the height from the ground of the palm rest area. Not sure if it's due to the 'feet' that are higher, it might also be that the screen part is thinner on the new ones. In any case if you're used to the 13" palm rest position for example when typing if your palm is resting halfway on the edge, there's a perceivable difference, I'd say more than 1mm. I could only try this in a shop, and I don't own a new macbook pro, so I'm not sure if this keeps on being noticeable after the first week or two, which is usually when all these supposedly "UNBEARABLE" things like the notch stop being an issue...
 

happyslayer

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I agree that the new MacBooks are awesome, but this idea of replaceable memory and hard drives is sort of impossible with the current M1 chips. The memory is literally part of the SOC (system on a chip), so that's not possible to remove or change at all. And to achieve the insane SSD data transfer speeds I'm pretty sure the "drives" need to be soldered onto the logic board. (I've compared my base 14" to latest PCIe-4 Samsung 980Pro 1TB drive in my gaming PC and the new Pro is way faster.) I would like the battery to be a little easier to replace, however. It seems like there should be a solution that doesn't involve using adhesive (glue) strips based on the iFixit teardown vid.
 
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