Anyone on AWS running Linux has either moved or is looking to move to Graviton for the cost savings. ARM is the new default unless there's a specific compute use case.
Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeting' Mac Sales
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AWS is one whing but not all servers in the world, colocation servers and pretty much the rest of webhosting are still x86.
Sorry I wrote that out wrong. I meant to say: The only thing keeping x86 around is PC gamers *using* Windows. It's the gamers that are keeping x86 alive, not Windows. Windows runs on ARM now, but the Windows games don't work well or at all.
And yeah, 75% of computers in use doesn't matter. Those computers already exist. So does my Apple II, but somehow they aren't making new 6502 computers...
I'd be happy to see numbers if you've got any. It's true that a majority of gamers use Windows, but I truly doubt they're the major part of the windows ecosystem. Windows on Arm doesn't run anything as well as x64 does.
Numbers? How can you question the fact that gamers are the majority of the PC market when all computer components are an RGB lightshow now? Do businesses need their computers to color cycle the case fans and RAM sticks? Everything in the PC world is marketed at gamers... there's almost no components that don't glow RGB. Don't ask me why PC gamers want their computer to look like a rave, but they obviously do.
I wouldn't be surprised if the laser lightshow bling has driven more non-gamers to switch to Macs. I'm not even complaining, I think a bit of RGB in a PC can look pretty... but it's clearly a gaming thing, and I wouldn't want my Macs to look like that.
I'm a PC gamer and I hate RGB and glass doors, but 99% of PC gamers love it so I find myself hard when I try to buy something that doesn't glows or have glass windows (door).
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Components for desktops, sure, but most computers aren’t desktops, and most laptops don’t target gamers.
Non OEM computer parts yes, OEM parts no, for example Dell computers (except gaming models) doesn't have RGB.
teh_hunterer
macrumors 65816
I'm not so sure, given the popularity of the Steam Deck and how people are fine gaming over Proton. There's also the fact that the GPUs aren't changing just because of ARM. I think the CPUs are so far ahead that you could lose a bit of theoretical performance and it would be fine.
Could be wrong though. This is coming from someone who's happily gaming on a Ryzen 2600 (which is literally half as fast as the 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro I'm using).
No one said it was all servers in the world. AWS and Azure both have ARM servers providing great price/performance ratios. I moved almost all our workloads to Graviton, and people I know in other companies have done the same. Anecdotal, yes. But your original comment said servers were not going ARM anytime soon, and that's objectively false. Nothing makes companies do something faster than the ability to save money for the same performance, which ARM allows. And in my case with Linux OS Java/Golang apps, the move was trivial.
Username-already-in-use
macrumors 6502a
I love this! The idea that Apple should synchronise its upgrade cycles exclusively to *ME*, when specifically *I* need to upgrade.
Because all I see are normal business PC's and laptops and low end laptops for home. The only place I hear that gamers are a majority of PC users is here, but I don't visit any gamer only forums to see what they say -- that's not my interest.
We don't have any PC's that are (an) RGB Lightshow, though most user PC's are desktops with plain black cases, mostly SFF.
You're seeing a lot of flashy stuff for sale and thing that's the whole market -- it isn't, not by a long shot.
Nope, and none of ours do.
Not even close, you can still get components without the flash. But fwiw, business and normal home computer buyers don't buy components, they buy prebuilt PC's and laptops. They might buy parts, espcially non-flashy RAM and SSD's, but even that is rarer than it used to be.
I wouldn't want anything to look like that, Macs or PC's! I have no PC's at home that are flashy at all, even though I have multiple recent Mac's and PC's...
And that is the thing.
Apple is a marketing company with only one client, themselves.
They know how to spit shine their products and make them desirable so that even a five year old will nag their parents into purchasing a $1,000 iPad.
At some point these parents will have wished they had purchased some Granny Smiths instead.
Someone long ago convinced (marketed) somebody to take a bite out of “The Apple” and look how things turned out.
Pretty much only AWS, Azure, and similars have ARM, if you go to a "normal" hosting/colocation, they won't offer you ARM servers.
The reason why AWS and Microsoft provide ARM is because they have custom made them, but you can't get an ARM server as you can with an Intel / AMD.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Yes, well, AWS and Azure are huge.
But your claim was "Desktop, servers, they won't go ARM / RISC-V any time soon", and one of the biggest maker of desktops already has, and two of the biggest cloud providers offer it as an option.
Desktops and servers won't go ARM-exclusive any time soon, if ever, but x86's dominance is waning.
pdoherty
macrumors 68000
I’m referring to 75% of all computers being bought, too. Windows, Linux, VMware, cloud, servers, etc are all on X86.
That's what I'm saying, I doubt they are going 99% ARM, they are providing ARM, yes, that's a fact, but going all ARM is another thing.
Exactly, most (almost all) ARM servers are sold direct to data centers, normal people can't get ARM desktops, even chromebox (not chromebooks) are mostly x86.
They are huge, but they are the only ones to offer ARM because right now, ARM Desktop/servers are pretty much sold directly to Data Centers.
Still, you can't get ARM easily as you do with Intel/AMD, so in order to that change, qualcomm (for example) has to create a competing ARM processor for normal people. Microsoft is trying with ARM, but still doesn't seems to be increasing the percentage of people using it.
Yes? It used to be 100%. As I said, x86 is dying... the number goes down every day. Most new x86 machines are being bought by gamers. Other people are switching to ARM at a fast rate between Macs and ARM non-Apple laptops. Add to that the disappointingly large number of people who are deciding all they need is a tablet or smartphone instead of a computer.
You keep saying that as fact, yet you supply no numbers.
ARM laptops barely sell at all if you don't count Apple.
Now that one's true. in looking at the OS Market share numbers, (https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share), Android has the highest market share for OS's (40+%). Windows is second and closest (30-%), iOS (20-%), MacOS looks close to 7%.
That's an interesting web site btw, it doesn't mention by segment like gaming/business, but maybe you can find something to prove your point. Or not.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
I doubt that. Tons and tons of x86 laptops (and some desktops, especially SFF) still get sold to businesses.
loby
macrumors 68000
The quest for "knowledge" (Information Age) and make things "easier"..
And at what cost...
ric22
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So Apple suffered a >40% decline in Max sales in the first quarter... much larger than the drop from the PC vendors. Sounds like they aren't offering what they customers desire at the moment... I look at the range and think the value proposition is the worst it's been since the PowerPC days, and it seems I'm not the only one. A great start with the M1 Air, but 30-50% price increases internationally since then, across a lot of the range, has really soured things.