'Apple Has a Poor Track Record ... On Dot Zero Releases'

[batchtaster]

I love it when the die hards do this.

I love it when hipsters do this. No. Wait. It bores me when hipsters do this.

This article has nothing to do with any of those companies. He is talking specifically about FCP.

*Sigh* And who makes FCP? And are they those companies any better at 1.0s than whatever company makes FCP? No. To put the point right under your nose: there is no reason to believe that FCP X will be any better or worse than any other 1.0 product from any other company. It will be a 1.0, it will have good stuff and it will have problems. Just like every first release from every company. Acting like Apple will do it horrifically worse than anyone can ever imagine - the horror, the unbridled horror - is baseless. Nobody's saying it will be wondrous and nothing but magical rainbows and unicorns. They're saying it will be boringly exactly as unstable and buggy as everyone already expects any other 1.0 to be on any other day of the year. Sunrise, sunset. And there's nothing "die hard" about that. It's recognizing reality. Without the hipster sinking-the-boot-in.

Nobody but Apple also carries around the attitude that their stuff is always perfect. Thats the issue. Perception.

Cite evidence, please. Your opinion is not evidence.

 

[Dustman]

Wasn't OSX 10.0 so bad that they released 10.1 later that year for free? (Was before my time).

Yeah, but 10.1 was pretty horrendous too. OS X wasn't even remotely usable until 10.2.

 

[Dustman]

osx wasn't useful until 10.3
10.4 became indispensible

I disagree! Jaguar was excellent for me! Slow.. but excellent! It was very heavy on transparencies though for it's time which was probably part of the performance issues. Panther lost a lot of the "glass"

 

[Lahmy88]

Exactly. It IS good advice. For Final Cut, Lion, iOS 5.... and every NON-Apple product too. It’s true of every software release. Or hardware. Or non-computing industries, like car models... It just makes sense: things improve over time, and mass real-world usage is always a larger and betetr test than any internal testing could ever be. Therefore, every revision will be better than the last. Therefore, the first will be the worst! So let other be the guinea pigs.

lol absolutely good advice... but you just know 99% of Forum goers here will be upgrading to Lion the minute it hits the Mac App Store! Me included

 

[Awjvail]

Oh my good sweet Jesus - somebody is saying something truthful that isn't glowingly positive!

One word: Cheetah.

 

[Fraaaa]

This must be the 1.0 release of this rumour because it is credited to Larry Jordan at the London Supermeet (which is next week). These comments were made in April at an LAFCPUG. FCP.co is equally to blame for not making the source clear on their website. Larry Jordan has since retracted the statement for vague reasons. Perhaps Apple gave him a spanking?

There is no reason to believe from Apple's sneak peak at NAB or any of the screen grabs appearing on the web recently that FCPX will be ready for the majority of the professional market (i.e. TV, Film, multi-platform environments) and I suspect that Larry was correct when he made the statement. That does not mean I and thousands of others won't buy it immediately; I just don't expect to cut any television on it for a year or more.

Vague? The fact that he did have the opportunity to have a chance to talk with the developers, and ask them the why of some approach used for the rewritten FC, doesn't look vague to me. And I said developers, not Steve Jobs.

Moreover he talked his guts after a demo of a beta at first. So I believe he had a better opinion when he actually could understand better where the software was at. Also, he still of the opinion that whomever is going to upgrade right away should be do that carefully, will be taking a serious leap; and for the rest, time will tell.

 

[Fraaaa]

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Nobody but Apple also carries around the attitude that their stuff is always perfect. Thats the issue. Perception.

I thought Steve was pretty clear when he said, 'we are not perfect' at the 'antennagate' conference.

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Cite evidence, please. Your opinion is not evidence.

I believe he is confuse when Steve says, 'it just works' which doesn't means that they deliver perfect software or services; it just empower the semplicity of use of what they deliver, and also that they are working on feature that non-literate people could take advantage of, but are not able to access.

 

[seedster2]

Better include Google and it's perpetual Beta, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, Linux, Sybase, SGI, Autodesk, Corel, etc.

Oh brother

And in other news, the sky is blue.

Of course that won't stop someone from installing Final Cut Pro or Lion on day one of release on all their business machines and coming on here complaining about how unacceptable it is that there's a bug or some piece of software no longer works with it.

bound to happen. This happened when they all ran out and installed the latest Aperture which was extremely buggy and disastrous for a few.

To all the people saying "no .0 release is perfect", no one claimed that they wanted a perfect initial release. In the context of this meeting, they are professionals discussing whether or not they should adopt the new application at release.

It's all theoretical and "well nothing's perfect" until your living is on the line. If you go out on a limb, try a project, and it doesn't work, these people could very well be fired. I don't blame them - Apple's been super tight-lipped about Final Cut - will it roll Color, Motion, etc. into one big $300 package? HUGE questions like that are still unanswered and will probably not be until the product launches. That's asking a lot of their customers.

If my living depended on it, I certainly wouldnt be the beta tester.

Would you kindly explain what sales numbers have to do with reliability of .0 releases?

For all I know subsequent releases are also found in thopse sales.

On the other hand if you don't understand the difference between a private user standing in line to get hardware/software X on release day and a corporate enviorment in which even a downtime of a couple of houres can mean multimillion losses then none of us can obviously help you.

They have nothing to do with it. Just his usual non-sensical rants

lol absolutely good advice... but you just know 99% of Forum goers here will be upgrading to Lion the minute it hits the Mac App Store! Me included

good luck I hope it turns out well for you guys

 

[winston1236]

If Apple has a bad track record, what does Mircosoft have? A blood covered path of slaughtered bodies?? I would take a prompt Apple update over a 3 month behind MS service pack any day.

And yes nothing is perfect the first time around.

haha exactly!

 

[MrNomNoms]

Yeah, but 10.1 was pretty horrendous too. OS X wasn't even remotely usable until 10.2.

Mac OS X 10.0 was never marketed for general release, 10.1 was filling in many holes that annoyed developers and end users alike but again Apple still offered OS 9 for customers who wanted it - it wasn't until 10.2 when it finally matured. To claim, as you have done, that 10.0 and 10.1 were marketed as 'final products ready for the great unwashed masses' ignores the reality of that time.

As for horrific .0 releases - Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 (security hole found almost a week before its release - something people ignore is Windows 2000 was delayed for 5 years as the promises grew), Windows NT 4.0 which moved the entire graphics stack into kernel space where we've enjoyed BSOD's ever since etc. Then there are the half baked 32bit ported applications from Microsoft and third parties where they did barely enough to get it running but not enough to actually have them running well.

Poor track record of x.0 releases? honestly I've been hanging around Mac's for the last 11 years and there are some hick ups here and there but they pale, PALE in comparison to the clusterf-cks that exist out there by many other vendors.

 

[MattInOz]

Better include Google and it's perpetual Beta, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, Linux, Sybase, SGI, Autodesk, Corel, etc.

There is a notable Cross platform developer that names their software version for the year after they are released. It's like they are conceding that is when the it will be truly ready to use.

Big complex software is rarely ready for prime production day one. Plus if the upgrade is worth while there is going to be a 3month evaluation, planning, implementation period anyway by the time you work out how to apply the features to your work, test then train staff. As long as it's feature stable to allow the transition work to commence.

 

[kiljoy616]

Really so Ilife was bad when it first came out, don't think so.

I enjoyed iPhone 1 and in no way did I feel it was a bad product, I was in candy land for almost 2 years when that first phone came out.

OS X Leopard was fine and no problems at all, sure over time it need upgrades but the tittle is a blanket statement.

So I guess most people will not download Lion when it first comes out. I know I will.

Iphone 4, no problem either, even if super grip did show an engineering issue which actually I never had holding it just like the video showed, but then I don't hold my phone like its a spear been thrust into a Troll. D&D rules.