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But Apple doesn't come up with a great new something and then try to convince you that you need it.

It makes something that solves various problems so smoothly that you don't know how no one didn't think of this before.

how many times did that actually happen?
 
I'm still trying to wrap my mind about having a smart watch. What would I do with it that I can't all ready do?

Pretend you are Dick Tracey and talk to Siri's male voice on the watch.

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I can imagine them using it for Passbook, so you don't have to get the phone out every time. That would require Passbook to take off though, here in the UK it still is completely useless.
The hardest part will be to find a design people will like as a watch is always visible.

It won't be successful unless it is a design that both men and women will feel comfortable wearing.
 
Actually, not to sound snobbish ;) But this is my biggest issue, I have a gorgeous top-end Breitling that was an engagement gift from my wife, and I'd be in the doghouse if I took that off for an Apple device. She'd probably take off her engagement ring, LOL.

I'll still buy one if they make it tho

That's why we have two wrists.
 
Then everyone you know with a Rolex is weak. Find better people to know, problem solved.

Actually I would simply rather not know anyone stupid or vain enough to waste 10 grand on a watch just so they can say oooooooo look at me I've got a Rolex aren't I a complete w*****. Anyone with a Rolex is a poser and you know it. I'd rather give my money away than waste it like that.

As for the iWatch, I'm really looking forward to see what Apple does in that space. I stopped wearing a watch because all it does is tell the time and I'm not interested in jewellery or labels. However, I can see the added benefits of a smartwatch.
 
If I walk outside the house without my watch I feel naked, I love my watch so much. I don't wear it to impress anyone, I wear it so I know the time it is. Several times each day people ask me the time, and I'm happy to tell them the time (or show them by twisting my arm around so they can see while I'm conversing with someone else). It's no big deal, time is important. This new device will be interesting. For me, if it's only a timepiece, I'm indifferent - if it's something more, I'm interested but I'm not expecting anything more useful than my watch.

Nice! And yours still tells the time no better than my $100 G-Shock. ;)

Don't forget that yours comes with an additional and hugely valuable feature, that it doesn't scream to everyone else, "I'm a pretentious wh**e, I'm a pretentious d**k h**d, AND I'M A PRETENTIOUS T*AT!!" :D

"I'm a better person because the device wrapped around my wrist indicating the time of day is worth more than the car you drive to clean the toilets in the office in which I work. I'm so much better than you!!!"
 
You and me are very different people. I'm checking time constantly. I have a meeting at 10.... It's 9:45, good - I can do 10 minutes of work before spending 5 minutes to get prepared for the meeting, etc. etc.

This touches on why digital watches almost completely disappeared after the novelty wore off. Most of the time people do not look at clocks or watches to find out what time it is. They look to find out how long is it until... Until lunch, until the meeting, until I can go home, until I have to pick up my wife, etc. The analog watch face meets this need intuitively, the digital time read out does not.
 
Just how many of the authors of the 900k+ apps on the AppStore are going to be happy with you never having to remove your iDevice from your pocket or purse. I'm sure we'll see some device of this form factor, but I don't think Apple wants you to put you iphone away.

I didn't say never, but this all depends a lot on the screen size of the rumored iWatch. There is obviously a practical limit to how big a wrist-carried device's screen can be. But many practical day-to-day apps we use regularly, can no doubt be used, or adapted fairly simply, to a wrist interface. Also the apps of the future will, no doubt be specifically targeting this new way of people interfacing with their iDevices. I believe there's a great future for this device category, and years from now we'll look back sentimentally, to the days we had to actually have the whole shebang in our hand. If the current rate of miniaturization continues, at some time in the future, this 'iWatch' will become the whole device.

"Researchers from ETH Zurich have recently managed to create an optical transistor from a single molecule in what is yet another important achievement on the road to quantum computing".
Source: http://www.gizmag.com/optical-transistor-made-from-single-molecule/12157/
 
Actually I would simply rather not know anyone stupid or vain enough to waste 10 grand on a watch just so they can say oooooooo look at me I've got a Rolex aren't I a complete w*****. Anyone with a Rolex is a poser and you know it. I'd rather give my money away than waste it like that.
You probably are looking at from the standpoint you can't afford it. For people can afford it, 10 grand is nothing, just like some people can't afford a Retina Macbook Pro and others can. Others can't afford a Mac Pro. It's all a matter of perspective.

Certain Rolex's don't lose value, they increase over time.

But of course, your welcome to think what you want. Luckily the world is bigger than your limited view, which doesn't really matter.
 
Well the game is rapidly changing now where Android is market leader and growing as we speak and iOS is going down.

Furter more, let's stay on topic shall we? If the iWatch will be a game changer is yet to be seen. Only in the eyes of the Apple fanboy it reached cult status years before it might come on the market.

Objective also means looking at the present, Apple did had great influences in how people interact with devices, all true, not true would be the suggestion tat Apple is leading that path of how people will interact in the future to come, an objective observer would conclude there with so many different players out there Apple has become one of many others, an important one yes but not within the context when speaking in terms of "leading". Again, only in the eyes of Apple fanboys this is not the case.Just saying.

1) The game isn't changing in tablets or phones... only elements. There is a difference.

2) Yes, it's yet to be seen if the iWatch will come to exist at all. Right now the iWatch is only Rumorware, or maybe Hintware since Tim Cook has talked about the concept, so Apple isn't completely silent. My only point is that IF Apple put's it out there it's likely to be completely different than anything we've yet seen in the category as that is Apple's modus operandi.

3) No one can predict the future, but based on what we know right now, the smart watch space is in its infancy. We've seen Sony's visions, Pebble, Samsung. So we'll just have to wait and see what, if Apple brings to the table. But, to quote Shakespeare, past is prologue. It's been a long time since Apple's had a bad design, probably the G4 Cube, if only because it cracked so easily.
 
You probably are looking at from the standpoint you can't afford it. For people can afford it, 10 grand is nothing, just like some people can't afford a Retina Macbook Pro and others can. Others can't afford a Mac Pro. It's all a matter of perspective.

Certain Rolex's don't lose value, they increase over time.

But of course, your welcome to think what you want. Luckily the world is bigger than your limited view, which doesn't really matter.

Oh I can afford it alright I just wouldn't waste my money like that. Funny how people like you seem to think that owning a Rolex somehow makes you better than the rest of us. It's the same people who look down their noses at people who don't have a Mac or an iPhone. I hate that petty minded bigotry. I don't care what someone owns. Material positions mean little to me. I have wealth, I own my own businesses but I don't feel the need to display my wealth or show off. I would rather have dinner with a tramp than a Rolex wearing poser.
 
1) The game isn't changing in tablets or phones... only elements. There is a difference.

I understand, but that's not what I wanted to explain. I leave this for what is is...it's not that much of an issue.

2) Yes, it's yet to be seen if the iWatch will come to exist at all. Right now the iWatch is only Rumorware, or maybe Hintware since Tim Cook has talked about the concept, so Apple isn't completely silent. My only point is that IF Apple put's it out there it's likely to be completely different than anything we've yet seen in the category as that is Apple's modus operandi.

And that's where you're wrong. You all-ready state that it will be different because that's Apple's modus operandi which is not the case. Sure it might be Apple's philosophy on how they address a workflow when making new devices but it's nothing close to a guarantee that it will always work. Only dogmatic Apple fanboys will believe that everything that Apple's CEO will touch will turn into gold.

People who can look at Apple in an objective way can see that Apple's path of delivering new products also showing signs of decay. The iOS marketshare is been taking over by Android, fact. The sales are declining as well, in response Apple will come with plastic iPhone devices.

If Apple modus operandi was truly about making things "different" then this is a clear proof that Apple's modus operandi is nothing more then a hollow marketing slogan. Like the phrase: (brilliantly found by the way) Think Different. If Apple's philosophy would clearly be about just making the "best" products out there then for sure they wouldn't come up with plastic alternatives. So, don't believe the hype? When the masses are going for cheaper products that in some cases can even deliver more then Apple products then trust me, Apple will follow. Phrases and one-liners with philosophy statements are nice to listen to but it's the popular demand that lay out Apple's course, not Apple itself.

Why you think that Apple didn't update the Mac Pro for such a long time? Because they simply wanted to come up with something new? Heck no, the industry gave Apple all the opportunities to bring out newer faster models on the timetable. The MAIN reason why Apple waited with making a new Apple Pro was way more simple then many might think: money. The Mac Pro simply didn't sold that well, only to "nerds" like me because among my colleagues we had the same consensus; we needed power. Apple became more and more a company focussing on the masses while in the past, the early 90's, they where trying to get a grip on the professional market.

It's clear to me that you're worshipping Apple's philosophy which is fine, but I'm a long time Apple user, way before Apple came even close to become poplar by the masses. I've seen how the true Apple's modus operandi worked. The shift came with the iPod which was nothing more then a lucky guess. At that time Apple was almost bankrupt and was financial saved, ironically, years before by Bill Gates.

But when you look at Apple's state now I can honestly state that the "top" have been reached unless (!) Apple will come out with new game changers but that's not a guarantee especially not when just based on Apple's modus operandi.

Time will tell.

3) No one can predict the future, but based on what we know right now, the smart watch space is in its infancy. We've seen Sony's visions, Pebble, Samsung. So we'll just have to wait and see what, if Apple brings to the table. But, to quote Shakespeare, past is prologue. It's been a long time since Apple's had a bad design, probably the G4 Cube, if only because it cracked so easily.

Again, that's in the eyes of the beholder. Can't state this enough. You can state that Apple's designs are all the way good but that's nothing more then your own perception, or to quote someone as well: a fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. ;)

It's nice to see so many Apple worshippers tough, I remember a time where I was the minority with my Apple 7100. Most of my colleagues where programmers and laughed at me using such device. Now most of them walking around with at least one Apple product all tough even that is declining. I'm talking about three years ago. :)

On one thing we do agree 100% tough Chupa Chupa, Time will tell what Apple will come up with and if that will be a "game changer" or not. I fought the iPad would become a failure, and I was very wrong there. So who knows....
 
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Oh I can afford it alright I just wouldn't waste my money like that. Funny how people like you seem to think that owning a Rolex somehow makes you better than the rest of us. It's the same people who look down their noses at people who don't have a Mac or an iPhone. I hate that petty minded bigotry. I don't care what someone owns. Material positions mean little to me. I have wealth, I own my own businesses but I don't feel the need to display my wealth or show off. I would rather have dinner with a tramp than a Rolex wearing poser.


Amen to that! I always found the discussion between Apple and PC, despite from the 'sometimes' funny 'Hi I'm a PC and I'm a Mac' commercials, very immature. But that's how market works I guess. Like shoes. Kids are being laughed at when not wearing the 'right' branch by other kids. Or even as worse, become victim from theft when they do wearing the right "branch".

I consider machines as working devices that can do things I want them to do. It happens to be that I work within an Apple surrounding using Apple Mac Pro's at work. But it was mainly because I bought so expensive software for mac that I decided to stay within an Apple surrounding. But that "might" chance. I use, as example, lot's of Adobe's products but now Adobe products can directly used from the cloud I'm no longer bound to the purchased software that only runs on Mac machines. But honestly I have to state that I still like OSX a lot. Not because it's Apple's but I honestly thinks it's a very solid and good working OS.

Anyway, the whole "branch" arguments doesn't mean anything to me as well.
 
This touches on why digital watches almost completely disappeared after the novelty wore off. Most of the time people do not look at clocks or watches to find out what time it is. They look to find out how long is it until... Until lunch, until the meeting, until I can go home, until I have to pick up my wife, etc. The analog watch face meets this need intuitively, the digital time read out does not.

Exactly.

I wear an analog watch. It's much easier for me to tell 'how much time left'. I stopped wearing digital watches in my normal life like 20 years ago when I figured out that 9:47 meant nothing to me. I had to 'interpret' it instead of seeing that I had about 1/5 of an hour left until 10:00.

However, I do wear a digital watch when I'm officiating a football game, because in these situations, 0:08 means so much more than 'we're almost done with the game'. Coaches start doing calculations about 'how many plays can we fit into 8 seconds'. If the coach just asked me 'How much time left?' and I told him 'We're almost done', he would go Berzerk. (Time is kept on the field when the scoreboards either don't work or aren't there, or the timer is not doing his job properly)

But the clock faces on digital watches, like the Pebble, are interchangeable between analog format and digital format.
 
Again, that's in the eyes of the beholder. Can't state this enough. You can state that Apple's designs are all the way good but that's nothing more then your own perception, or to quote someone as well: a fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. ;)

There is empirical sales data, scientifically conducted polling, copycat devices, Apple designs and patents on display in world renowned museums that says otherwise. That's not my perception it's fact. I'm not a poll taker and didn't have a hand in marketing an iDevice or making a competing product or curating an exhibit. If you want to deny's Apple's continuing influence on device and interface design, go ahead, it's nothing off my back. But it's far too recent history to be able to be rewritten to suggest Apple is just another electronics company.

Oh, and your little quip at the end there… look in the mirror. I'm not sure why you want to turn this debate personal and nasty but it says more about you than any other poster here I assure you.
 
You're destined to be a salaried employee.


nice, change the subject and use a witty response over the internet.... Please explain why this is groundbreaking? and i like apple's products but this seems to be 2-3 years too late unless they're holding something big up their sleeve... ios and email updates are pointless.

Im not afraid to call out something that is bogus... like SIRI... let me guess, you back that too? :D

i think apple is headed for a fail on this 1st generation project... like they did on the 1st apple tv...

im not saying this product line doesnt have potential, im seriously doubting the need of its 1st gen potential as a consumer... im sure apple will find a way to make it a great product, but until then, shelf it
 
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There is empirical sales data, scientifically conducted polling, copycat devices, Apple designs and patents on display in world renowned museums that says otherwise.

Well, it's clear to me that I'm dealing with a pro Apple fan which explains the dogmatic view in all of this, no worries, that I do understand. But your views are i.m.h.o. quite one sided, and in the perspective of placing Apple in the world of consumer market quite simplistic as well, that's for sure. Sorry that your empirical sales data are arbitrary along with your so called "scientifically conducted poling". We have clearly different viewpoints in this. It would be nice to see that you where capable of showing some objectivity here, for example, you also didn't mention how many cases Apple lost with the silly patent wars. But from a dogmatic viewpoint this also makes sense.

That's not my perception it's fact.

Your "facts", that's quite a difference.

I'm not a poll taker and didn't have a hand in marketing an iDevice or making a competing product or curating an exhibit. If you want to deny's Apple's continuing influence on device and interface design, go ahead,

I don't deny Apple had great influence in making GUI's, but not in a continuing fashion. That's the difference. In fact, the whole new iOS 7 consist of borrowed interface designs which, by all means, I don't mind. But to suggest that Apple is 'the' inventor of the GUI it's using these days is just very funny.
But I can understand that this is hard to comprehend when you're such a fan of a brand, and this same brand claimed in the past to be the inventor of the mouse, which is also not the case. But to comprehend this all it requires knowledge about Apple's history.

it's nothing off my back. But it's far too recent history to be able to be rewritten to suggest Apple is just another electronics company.

In your point of view you're right. In fact, you probably think Apple is the world leading electronic company that defines the market, these kind of Hallelujah phrases are nice but not close to the current facts. Ever went to IBC? That's a rhetorical question... At IBC you can see the world leading companies when it comes to high-end computing, broadcasting and CGI. Once, years ago, Apple took part of this conference, not any longer and that says enough.

I'll not react on your last comment, I'm sure you understand why. We've different viewpoints when it comes to placing Apple in the market. I'm not stating Apple is wrong, heck, I even work on Mac Pro's and got an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV myself. I love Apple's products, but to suggest Apple is defining the electronic computer market is just silly to put it mildly. And the high end market? Well, Apple lost that with releasing Final Cut X version 1.

But !! Apple IS very big when it comes to consumer market. That's for sure, but even there it's losing ground. Simply look at the market share of iOS, numbers don't lie.

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/78060.html

Android accounts for 75 percent market share
http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/sto...7-37-26-615x266.png?hash=ZGSyAGZ4AG&upscale=1

This doesn't mean that Apple has gone bad, I'll buy an iPhone on this very moment if I had to buy a new phone. But if an company can't understand "why" other companies have a big saying in the mobile industry as for today standards then that company clearly doesn't get it.

So who's winning? Is someone winning? I'm not stating Android, I don't believe in terms of "winning" but I do see a clear downfall in different area's where Apple once was the leading factor. I can recommend a very well written article by Forbes magazine: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo...pp-store-usage-but-android-is-gaining-ground/


Just saying.

p.s. saw your link in your signature, and that explains a lot ;)
 
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Well, it's clear to me that I'm dealing with a pro Apple fan which explains the dogmatic view in all of this, no worries, that I do understand.

Oh lord. No, I think you very much don't understand and but do like to make knee jerk assumptions. Check out my signature. It's a nod to competition and and acknowledgment that Apple devices are not for everyone, and there are alternatives which is a good thing. I've had it there for quite awhile.

Honestly, the way you presume and sling around pejoratives when I haven't personally attacked you in the slightest tells me you really are not interested in listening to other viewpoints.
 
Oh lord. No, I think you very much don't understand and but do like to make knee jerk assumptions. Check out my signature. It's a nod to competition and and acknowledgment that Apple devices are not for everyone, and there are alternatives which is a good thing. I've had it there for quite awhile.

Honestly, the way you presume and sling around pejoratives when I haven't personally attacked you in the slightest tells me you really are not interested in listening to other viewpoints.

Well, for starters, its a pro Steve Jobs article, it explains everything.

But that aside, this is going to be very off-topic. I'm not going to waste any time on people who only see one side of the story and can't even make a proper reaction based on the content. So last word is up for you. So far for the "mature" conversation. I'm not going to "bite" any longer to avoid having a polemical discussion..
So, Apple Hallelujah and praise Steve Jobs and such, have it your way. Good day to you ^^
 
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wow! would be lovely to see a smart-watch from apple, i hope they bring out a better watch than the sony's smartwatch.
 
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