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NOONE should want this. This just gives power back to the carriers who can then implement charging you a fee anytime you want to swap phones.
They can with physical SIMs too. It's illegal in the EU, though.

Shave another .2mm of that thing!! Next up removing the lightning ports... And volume buttons.
You realize that iPhones have gotten thicker, not thinner for years, right?

At least with eSIM, the thief cannot just remove the SIM and misuse it. With physical SIM, the thief can just remove the SIM and then misuse it.
Well, in both cases a PIN can be used to prevent that.
 
eSims aren't perfect yet. I occasionally have to reboot my 13 Pro Max to get data to wok on T-Mobile eSim.

I tried to activate an eSim in my 13 Pro Max on Verizon and the setup never completed. It has a sim in it now.
 
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That was for their trial and corporate customers, mear mortals arent offered esims on O2.
That is not the impression I get from their site:

You just need to request an eSim pack from O2 and do a sim swap Guide: Sim Swap: a mini guide 2017 update

If you message O2 on Facebook (https://o2uk.co/O2CFB) , Twitter (https://o2uk.co/O2CTW) or Instagram (https://o2uk.co/O2CIG) , they should be able to help you with this or pop into any O2 store.
https://community.o2.co.uk/t5/Pay-Monthly/esim/m-p/1567887
 
That is not the impression I get from their site:

You just need to request an eSim pack from O2 and do a sim swap Guide: Sim Swap: a mini guide 2017 update

If you message O2 on Facebook (https://o2uk.co/O2CFB) , Twitter (https://o2uk.co/O2CTW) or Instagram (https://o2uk.co/O2CIG) , they should be able to help you with this or pop into any O2 store.
https://community.o2.co.uk/t5/Pay-Monthly/esim/m-p/1567887
All I can tell you is that I'm with O2 and they've flat out refused an esim.
 
Agree. I think a lot of people already using and singing the praises of eSIMs might be having second thoughts if they're also planning on getting new Day 1 iPhones, and finding that 'quick call' to their service provider suddenly isn't quite that quick or straight forward when there's several thousand other new owners trying to do the same thing.

@Etienooo

It’s possible to transfer an eSIM from one device to another, either during setup or at a later stage. Carriers also let you download an eSIM on a new device using their mobile app without having to contact them first.
 
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As a simple example lycamobile, one of the global sub-carriers, doesn't support e sim. I'm all for getting rid of the physical sim constraint, but I don't see how Apple can do it before the carriers implement. Also, many providers discount their sims through resellers so as an example the last time I visited America i bought a $33/month local USA lycamobile sim for $11, just by buying it in advance through a reseller. I guess they work on the principle you will stay signed up afterwards at full price so its a small incentive. For me, if the e sim functionality happened tomorrow, my mobile contract would triple in price if i could only select from an esim provider.
 
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Carriers in Canada need to get their sh**t together before Apple removes physical SIM.

This is a scenario I’ve been in a few times..

Break phone, get new phone, go to add ESIM, “we’ve texted your old phone”

Well great, can’t receive the text, carriers will not fix over the phone due to “security reasons” I actually had to go to carrier store every time!
 
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When turned off though it is just as if you removed the physical one. You can even delete the eSIM if you want but that makes no difference. Your iPhone won’t connect to the towers using that eSIM or even carrier IMS (WiFi calling) on an eSIM that is turned off.
I believe this is wrong since you can make emergency calls (eg 911) without a sim.
 
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That was for their trial and corporate customers, mear mortals arent offered esims on O2.
Incorrect, I have an O2 esim, walk into any shop and they will give you an esim pack. O2 haven’t quite got to any automated provisioning yet as you need to be sent a pack or get one in store.
 
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I think all the carriers support eSIMs at this point, been using an eSIM only on my iPhone for 2yrs with EE. The GiffGaff carrier is 02 and they definitely support it. At this point there is no physical reason that carriers need to use a physical SIM anymore.
I have checked today and Three still do not support ESIMs. They have done a trial, and those who took part can get replacements. Otherwise, none.
 
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And connect via the 8 eSIMs at once?! iPhones since XS Max can have up to 10 eSIM profiles but only the 13 can connect to 2 at once.

Apple does weird stuff. Apple Watch can’t even roam yet despite supporting the bands used in almost every country. You also can’t use a North America bought watch in Europe/Middle East/Asia and the opposite also is true.
When you think about it, it makes sense. How are you going to manage the data context for your apps on your phone when you have multiple routes available? It's beyond the grasp of most end users how they could manage that effectively...giving the capability to the masses would be a bit of a PR *********. (again, I think geofencing with "pay as you go" options available would be best for most globetrotters).

The reason that's there different SKU's is because there's different cellular frequencies used around the world. If you could get all of the carriers around the world to whittle that down to 8-12? Sure, now you can have one SKU. (hmm...then there's the proprietary NFC they have in Japan...)

On that token, they need to educate the Apple Store staff to not allow AC+ device replacements out of country. People could get lacklustre performance if they replace their NA iPhone when travelling in Asia when they return home.
 
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When you think about it, it makes sense. How are you going to manage the data context for your apps on your phone when you have multiple routes available? It's beyond the grasp of most end users how they could manage that effectively...giving the capability to the masses would be a bit of a PR *********.
Though I can imagine being able to nominate one ESIM as the prime for data - and optionally others as available.

I can certainly see some people looking to installing an ESIM for every physical network in the country. Simply to be able to get phone and SMS connectivity in as many locations as technically possible.
 
It’s not a question of if the sim slot will be removed, but rather when.

Carriers may as well deal with that inferno now, and move on.
It’s not the carriers side I am concerned about. You’ll kiss their grits and love it, because you definitely aren’t going to go without the precious. They are your dealer. It’s having to put up with the carriers to swap equipment that I’m bummed about.
 
I like having a SIM card so I don’t have to interface with a teleco to swap devices.
If you're migrating iPhones, the transfer settings wizard should move that for you (works with the Apple Watches)

The other curve people have thrown out is device portability - if we can get the carriers to wrap their heads around IoT, then they can figure out that it's the best customer service to charge a nominal fee for adding additional devices to your shared data bucket (say $5 per month per eSIM?) - it should actually go down...but inflation will make $5 worth $2 soon enough.
 
Apple have never been great at considering those that travel/move around internationally in terms of products and services, but this would be a disaster. eSIM is just not adopted widely enough yet.
 
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Apple have never been great at considering those that travel/move around internationally in terms of products and services, but this would be a disaster. eSIM is just not adopted widely enough yet.
I prefer using an eSIM when travelling internationally. I can purchase and download a local prepaid foreign eSIM before leaving home and then just set it as the active cellular data line when the plane lands.

No need fumble around switching physical cards and risk losing them.
 
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Big mistake, I need that SIM for cheap internet when I travel for business and pleasure... That would make me leave Apple.
I have 7-8 international sim cards and if apple close the SIM tray I lock my wallet for them. This will he my last drop.
I have been looking at 10x zoom and apk free apps for years now.

BUT: all of them are the same, Samsung follows Apple.
You don't have to "hunt" for WiFi, you can buy your eSIM before traveling. Get GigSky, Ubigi, Truphone, like I mentioned above. It's crazy people don't use these apps, they're so much more convenient (and often cheaper) than those local prepaid SIMs.
I see your point , but let me disagree.

Have you tried to call bank/budiness/local cab or simply get incoming call with US number abroad? Even on very rich Bermuda sometimes taxi drivers refuse to call US number. (you cannot rent a car there, only moped or electric tiny Renault) .

“Often” is not equal to “always”. You want to say that I have to through away local SIM cards with positive balance and pay eSIM app? I can afford it, but IMO it’s a waste.

Thanks.
 
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The Verizon stores are staffed by folks trying to sell phones of which they really do not know the features or setup procedures. The majority are just barely past the "how to turn it on and off " level.


It took hours and many different technicians to get the Verizon eSim to work on my iPhone 13 Pro Max coming from my iPhone 12 Pro Max and trying to transfer my number. Issue went up the tech food chain to the top level. Both me and the various techs spoke English.

Land in a non-english speaking country and their tech support could be some of the most qualified folks around, but unless you go to their store where they can physically manipulate the iPhone you are out of luck.

Get a new SIM and in a few moments you are operational.

Not everyone wants to carry multiple phones (home and one for local country you are visiting) which is what I did for many years going three or four times a year to the UK where my wife's family resides. I needed the capability to receive calls from the US and make local calls to the UK family and businesses. The overseas rates charged by Verizon are beyond exorbitant and do not even think about data charges.
 
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