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Originally posted by Dcuellar:
I know I'm setting myself up to be disappointed, but god I love the concepts in this iOS5 concept video.




That. Was. Brilliant.
 
Already have system they don't use

Apple already has a system similar to palm that they aren't using. Have you ever surfed while on the phone? The whole top of the screen pushes down and the green bar appears saying tap to return to call. It's informAtive, it's obvious, and it doesn't overlay over anything. There's no reason the same concept shouldn't be applied to notifications. Different color for different things. Phone related, green, mail, blue, etc. Of course you'd specify which you care about and maybe change colors. Touching it would bring a popup with greater detail, etc. This doesn't seem like brain surgery.
 
This is a horrible notification system, I hope Apple won't implement this in iOS 5 but comes up with something new.
The video in the article is from beta 3. The newest version is beta 5 which is much, much better and a lot more polished. Instead of covering what you're doing up it pushes the screen down (think Call In Progress green pulsing bars). It also adds quick reply to SMS and notification deletion from the notification itself. It's a CRAP load better than iOS's default notification system.

Having to tap a notification in order for it to disappear is a subpar solution and not any better than Apple's current notification system. Also read this blog post written by a designer: http://blog.cocoia.com/2011/notify/
You don't have to tap on it for it to disappear. Within 3 seconds it goes away on it's own.

The best part of this is that Apple hired a jailbreak app developer and the app he developed is still available in Cydia.

That means Apple didn't say, "before we consider hiring you, you need to remove that app, because we hate jailbreakers".
That's because it's open source. They simply can't.

No offence to the programmer as it must be tough doing this sort of stuff as a one man team, but i hope apple's implementation ends up nothing like this. IMO it's clunky and ugly.
It's not a one man team. It was his idea at first but then several people were added along the way. Check out the newest version, beta 5 before passing judgement. It's pretty well polished and slick. It's missing certain things but it is still a beta and it's definitely the way Apple could do it.


Apple already has a system similar to palm that they aren't using. Have you ever surfed while on the phone? The whole top of the screen pushes down and the green bar appears saying tap to return to call. It's informAtive, it's obvious, and it doesn't overlay over anything. There's no reason the same concept shouldn't be applied to notifications. Different color for different things. Phone related, green, mail, blue, etc. Of course you'd specify which you care about and maybe change colors. Touching it would bring a popup with greater detail, etc. This doesn't seem like brain surgery.
That's exactly how MobileNotifier Beta 5 works. Instead of the notification being overlaid on the screen (yuck) it pushes the screen down. It's freaking brilliant and a lot better than the Android and Growl imitation Notified Pro + GriP.

I've been using beta 5 since it was out (I think two few weeks) and there are a few things missing:
  • Tapping on a notification that has text should open to where the notification is (think Facebook) because that's what you want to reply to. This idea is probably going to have to be an API though so I would only expect to see it when Apple revamps notifications.
  • Option to tap on notifications on the lockscreen and have it take you to the app.
  • Ability to quick reply to Facebook, Twitter and other similar apps. So far it's only SMS. Again, probably going to have to be an API.
  • Should pause certain apps (games) so it doesn't cover screen (it pushes screen down everywhere else BUT in full screen apps like games) or only show a status bar icon. Again, API needed.
  • Landscape notifications

I guess the biggest take away from using MobileNotifier is that Apple needs to add an API for intelligent notifications. They are NOT all the same.

You can view any updates to the code on their commits page. A nice addition to what will most certainly be beta 6 is that you can choose the notification style, light from beta 3 or dark from beta 4 (which I prefer).

[EDIT] Was just reading Hajas' blog and realized that MobileNotifier has an API for MobileReply (quick reply). Neat.
 
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That video is old. MobileNotifier is much improved now. Takes up less space up top, and when you open up a text message or something, it automatically clears the notification, without having to "Clear Pending".

Edit: Oops, I made the mistake of only doing Control F on the first page... QuarterSwede's post above mine is a very accurate post saying how it has improved.
 
How ironic!

How ironic to have an Apple employee distributing app on Cydia. Just a warning for jailbreakers get it while it lasts. Because Apple will force this guy to pull out this app from Cydia and that would be it for a while. You will not be able to see this feature on iOS 5.0 it's very likely that it's still on development stage, they just hired him. Get it now!
 
Just thinking out loud here... If he has already developed this system and it's been working on jail broken devices, would it really be that hard to tweak it a bit if required and get it working on iOS5?

Wouldn't most of the hard work be done already?

I'm willing to bet that we'll see at least some of his efforts in iOS5.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Are you sure you are not an analyst? :)
 
Didn't the go before congress (or some body) and argue that jailbreaking is a danger and a risk to the cellular network?

I always thought that was more of a legal thing to clarify their EULA and what rights Apple had when a user causes problems for themselves by jailbreaking. Seems to me that it's in Apple's interest to make sure they aren't held liable for anything a user does to their own data and hardware and their position was more of a legal CYA thing.

Regardless, what have they done to actively discourage or stop jailbreaking? Certainly they could be a lot more devious with the iOS updates. They could probably spend time splitting legals hairs with jailbreak sites and tying them up in court to exhaust their resources and shut them down. My point is that Apple could do a lot more within the bounds of the law to discourage or stop jailbreaking and they don't.
 
I always thought that was more of a legal thing to clarify their EULA and what rights Apple had when a user causes problems for themselves by jailbreaking. Seems to me that it's in Apple's interest to make sure they aren't held liable for anything a user does to their own data and hardware and their position was more of a legal CYA thing.

Regardless, what have they done to actively discourage or stop jailbreaking? Certainly they could be a lot more devious with the iOS updates. They could probably spend time splitting legals hairs with jailbreak sites and tying them up in court to exhaust their resources and shut them down. My point is that Apple could do a lot more within the bounds of the law to discourage or stop jailbreaking and they don't.
I agree with you. At best, Apple sees JB'ers as a nuisance in their relationship with carriers and developers, but I don't think the actually care that people are jailbreaking. Was just pointing out that they have taken steps to close the holes, technically and at least a little legally.
 
How ironic to have an Apple employee distributing app on Cydia. Just a warning for jailbreakers get it while it lasts. Because Apple will force this guy to pull out this app from Cydia and that would be it for a while. You will not be able to see this feature on iOS 5.0 it's very likely that it's still on development stage, they just hired him. Get it now!
You didn't read my post a few above yours. MobileNotifier is open source and others are continuing work on it.

What I find interesting is that he was also working on Widge and it's API, WidgeKit. Widge was/is supposed to be a widget system for iOS that would live between Spotlight and the first page of apps on the homescreen. It's possible Apple hired him for that. Just speculating.
 
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I always thought that was more of a legal thing to clarify their EULA and what rights Apple had when a user causes problems for themselves by jailbreaking. Seems to me that it's in Apple's interest to make sure they aren't held liable for anything a user does to their own data and hardware and their position was more of a legal CYA thing.

No, Apple was more aggressive than that

In response to a request by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the U.S. Copyright Office explicitly recognized an exemption to the DMCA to permit jailbreaking in order to allow iPhone owners to use their phones with applications that are not available from Apple's store, and to unlock their iPhones for use with unapproved carriers. Apple had previously filed comments opposing this exemption and indicated that they did consider jailbreaking to be a violation of copyright (and by implication prosecutable under the DMCA). Apple's request to define copyright law to include jailbreaking as a violation was denied as part of the 2009 DMCA rulemaking. In their ruling, the Library of Congress affirmed on July, 26, 2010 that jailbreaking is exempt from DMCA rules with respect to circumventing digital locks. This exemption must be reviewed and renewed every three years or else it will expire

So, Apple probably would love to be able to sue those jailbreaking sites but they can't since they have been ruled to be perfectly legal. Nice try though to try and keep up the image of Apple as being all customers white knight in shining armour
 
You all do know that Peter Hajas is still an undergrad at RPI, right? He worked in my department where I work last summer, then went back to school. He might do the same thing at Apple this year.
 
You all do know that Peter Hajas is still an undergrad at RPI, right? He worked in my department where I work last summer, then went back to school. He might do the same thing at Apple this year.
More than likely Apple will pay for him to finish school (it's probably a requirement). Although, you don't really need a formal education when the work you've done has gotten you jobs in the industry. After all that's usually the end point of an education.
 
They just need to perfect LockInfo and call it a day. Tried that mobile notifier since 1st release don't find it awesome in anyway, i find my self clicking home button more than ever with it so if iOS5 notification is based on that I am not too excited.
 
See this concept. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqWO6VkJh-0

Which one do you guys like better? :D

That one looks great although asking a user to swipe in such a vertically cramped area could cause havoc.

Basically it should be growl-like transparent popups that are small and disappear and leave an icon hanging out in the notification/status bar up top. Biggest question is how users quickly access their queued notifications. Double/triple pressing home button is a bit much if you ask me.
 
The way the notification jailbreak Hajas designed doesn't work to my liking.
It is unobtrusive but still bothersome.
An interesting alternative would be for the notifications to pop up as a small circle in a corner or visual top center of the screen, and only when this is tapped would it explain a text (for example) and allow you to ignore or reply
 
The way the notification jailbreak Hajas designed doesn't work to my liking.
It is unobtrusive but still bothersome.
An interesting alternative would be for the notifications to pop up as a small circle in a corner or visual top center of the screen, and only when this is tapped would it explain a text (for example) and allow you to ignore or reply

Agree, all you need is some popup in a corner. Perhaps some semi transparent small overlay to let you know what it is, that fades away after a few seconds also.

You need to be told there is something just come in, and perhaps given a quick unobtrusive view of what it is, then, without you touching anything it disappears again, so you know what it is and can select to ignore it without ever touching the screen.
 
It's STILL not right! UGH!

Pointless! The notification is still in the way! People aren't getting it. I think the only way to do notifications correctly is to use the menu bar or as webOS does so. You shouldn't have to click 'Later' or whatever to get the notification out of the way of the screen.
 
Pointless! The notification is still in the way! People aren't getting it. I think the only way to do notifications correctly is to use the menu bar or as webOS does so. You shouldn't have to click 'Later' or whatever to get the notification out of the way of the screen.

it automatically goes away after 15 seconds. It pops up and makes the screen you are on slightly smaller, and you can continue doing what you are doing, or just continue reading an article, and it will go away. Maybe it should be an option to select how long it takes to go away..
 
Pointless! The notification is still in the way! People aren't getting it. I think the only way to do notifications correctly is to use the menu bar or as webOS does so. You shouldn't have to click 'Later' or whatever to get the notification out of the way of the screen.

I agree with you.

It's like the hotmail popup in windows.
You get a new email, and in the bottom left of the screen you get a very small window that pops up and says new mail with a just the start of the email text, and after about 3 or 5 seconds the window moves back down again and disappears.

It's just enough to let you know something has arrived, and just a snippet of info so you can decide to open it or ignore it. all without touching anything.
 
More than likely Apple will pay for him to finish school (it's probably a requirement). Although, you don't really need a formal education when the work you've done has gotten you jobs in the industry. After all that's usually the end point of an education.

Agreed. He can probably move out to Apple and go to school part time at like Stanford to finish his degree... Or if he really wants to finish at RPI, he can just finish and have a job waiting for him when he's done.
 
That one looks great although asking a user to swipe in such a vertically cramped area could cause havoc.

Basically it should be growl-like transparent popups that are small and disappear and leave an icon hanging out in the notification/status bar up top. Biggest question is how users quickly access their queued notifications. Double/triple pressing home button is a bit much if you ask me.

How's it cramped? (we are talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqWO6VkJh-0) I think two-swipe could just be replaced with one-swipe, and that would be it (at least for home screen and some simple apps). For apps where swiping down is used for something else, something else would have to be done :apple:

Double/Triple pressing home button is WAY too much, I agree.
 
Try this one?

Pointless! The notification is still in the way! People aren't getting it. I think the only way to do notifications correctly is to use the menu bar or as webOS does so. You shouldn't have to click 'Later' or whatever to get the notification out of the way of the screen.

Refer to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqWO6VkJh-0

This one doesn't make the screen smaller until you actually want to see the notification. The UI looks absolutely perfect, as if it were designed by apple :cool:
 
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