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Not even sure why it deserves front page news on MR other than to generate the exact bickering they closed the thread for.

I think the data itself is noteworthy, but the editorial "in Direct Jab at Android" was a bit of trolling by the OP.
 
Looking forward to getting iOS 7 on my iphone 5 within a couple of days of it being released.

Good luck getting key lime pie pushed to your GS3 before 2014...if ever.
 
They were not afraid of change when iOS 6 was released. Why would they be afraid now? I think you are just making it up as you go, in order to be able to say something negative about Apple.

I think that with the complete removal of skeuomorphism, iOS will be less intuitive to use, especially to the uninitiated.

We techies often ignore the fact that not everyone is a techie; I think that the majority of skeuomorphism on iOS is what made it appealing to those who want "toasters" and don't enjoy nor want to "learn" how an OS works.

Apple was the only company addressing that type of user. With iOS 7, this changes a bit and learning might be required.

Some users would be turned off by this, thus not upgrading. But, as always, we'll wait and see.

My 4s will be upgraded on day one (after I back it up), though.:D
 
Android fragmentation is horrible. Google just lets these carriers handle software updates, and they couldn't care less about supporting the devices they sell to poor consumers. But the problem is far greater than that and isn't just the carriers' fault.

And for people who say that older iPhones lack a few features like Siri, at least at its core the OS is up to date with newer devices. Even that basic upgrade Android users don't get due to fragmentation.

no doubt apple makes a good point here. however, some people that buy smartphones only want a phone, and those people don't care which version of the operating system is running on it

Yes but what about bug fixes, improvements to the system and security vulnerability patches? It isn't just smartphone features. Some people might not care about specifics of the OS, but that doesn't mean they should get updates that help improve their experience of using the device. And surely people these days that get a smartphone care about other things than just using it as a phone.
 
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Looking forward to getting iOS 7 on my iphone 5 within a couple of days of it being released.

Good luck getting key lime pie pushed to your GS3 before 2014...if ever.

I guess they would if they wanted to wait for their carrier to push an update. However, the users that would care what OS their phone is running would just flash it with the latest CyanogenMod or any other ROM of their choosing.
 
93% is pretty impressive, particularly compared to 4% for the latest Android version.

They aren't showing how many are on the latest version of iOS, they're lumping all versions of iOS 6 together, then they're separating the different Android 4.X versions, they are only minor updates.
 
I am part of the 6% as it relate to my iPod. it is still on iOS 5 and i will probably never updated being that all i use it for is music. No apps other than workout apps. Unless one of the apps i use require iOS 6. I will be on 5 forever! :):D
 
And for people who say that older iPhones lack a few features like Siri, at least at its core the OS is up to date with newer devices.

And they ignore that Google Now is only available on 33% of devices that are active in Google Play.

They aren't showing how many are on the latest version of iOS, they're lumping all versions of iOS 6 together, then they're separating the different Android 4.X versions, they are only minor updates.

Named versions of Android are approximately equivalent to iOS releases.
 
I never understood why it was OK for Apple to use whole iOS versions (iOS 5, 6, 7) and then compare them to incremental Android OSes (2.3, 4.0, 4.1, etc.). iOS has incremental OS updates as well but those numbers are never captured.

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Named versions of Android are approximately equivalent to iOS releases.


I disagree; iOS codenames all of their releases (major x.0 and incremental .x.y), they're just never (for whatever reason) referred to that way or publicly disclosed the way Google does with Android.
 
I never understood why it was OK for Apple to use whole iOS versions (iOS 5, 6, 7) and then compare them to incremental Android OSes (2.3, 4.0, 4.1, etc.). iOS has incremental OS updates as well but those numbers are never captured.

Again, named Android versions are similar to iOS releases. The fact that they number them differently is irrelevant.
 
They aren't showing how many are on the latest version of iOS, they're lumping all versions of iOS 6 together, then they're separating the different Android 4.X versions, they are only minor updates.

Seems to me like it is broken down by year releases. There is some lumping. Either way, it is fragmented.
 
I guess they would if they wanted to wait for their carrier to push an update. However, the users that would care what OS their phone is running would just flash it with the latest CyanogenMod or any other ROM of their choosing.

That's an ignorant solution at best. Furthermore not everyone wants dubious bootleg software on their phone.

And bootleg software is rarely as feature rich as factory software. Touchwiz has tons of niceties you'd lose with hacked software made in some intern's basement.

Then there's your warranty...
 
It says at the bottom measured by the App Store. I wonder if that is visits or downloads, since a lot of apps are no longer compatible with iOS 4 so measuring based on downloads would lower its percentage.
 
They aren't showing how many are on the latest version of iOS, they're lumping all versions of iOS 6 together, then they're separating the different Android 4.X versions, they are only minor updates.

No they are not. The only 4.x versions down there are jb and ics. Those are major releases. Jb has two minor versions but those are not separated in the chart. Secondly the "they" who you say are doing the lumping are google themselves.
 
Observation: A week ago, Microsoft was crucified here for their ad poking fun at Siri and the iPad. They were called all kinds of names and ridiculed. Now Apple takes a shot at Android and it is high fives all around. Cheap shots are cheap shots no matter who takes them. Or a funny jab is a funny jab no matter who the target is.

If by "apple takes a shot at android" you mean not mention android at all then yes you are correct.

Eta: beaten by baldimac
 
Huh? I dont get what you're saying at all. I am not talking about doom and gloom, I have no idea if that will happen again to Apple and frankly I really don't care anymore (I actually found the new OS X more exciting than iOS last week)

It's as simple as an OS anyone can build hardware for vs an OS only one company can build hardware. This has happened before, and touch or no touch the cheap OS beat out the other OS.

BTW, I have only owned iOS phones. So I am not a Fandroid. Just someone who lived saw the 80s and 90s this exactly take place.

Point taken--so take my post as directed against the Apple doom-sayers, not you specifically :)

And take heart: the available-for-every-manufacturer OS didn't beat Apple last time, and Apple's in a FAR better position this time. The situation now is much more different, than it is the same. Apple's position in touch computing is simply not parallel to their position against the DOS/Windows business monopoly in the 80s. For every parallel (and there are some) there are many big differences. (To name just four: computing then was business-centric, this market is consumer-centric; Apple had no mindshare then, they are headline news now; there was no Internet then, now most things people do are cross-platform; and in the 80s, Microsoft was making the big bucks, but now it's Apple.)

Android may well have more users, but that won't take away Apple's greater profits, nor greater developer base, nor greater user experience. "Market share" is an empty metric when viewed in isolation.
 
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That's 93% of the customers who allow Apple to collect data. It seems to me that the ones who don't allow Apple to collect data are the same type of people who wouldn't upgrade to iOS 6.
 
Companies use competitive statistic reporting and advertising all the time. How is this instance of it any different? Not really news this.
 
As someone who has developed for Android and iOS, I can tell you first hand, the fragmentation effing sucks. Google does pretty well at helping you manage it, but it still takes at least twice as long to write and test code to run on all Android devices as it does to do so with iOS devices.

And with the much smaller payoff... why bother? You're spending a lot of effort to get your app in a market that's only willing to spend 10% of what iOS users are.

...And users can much more easily pirate your apks...
 
To be fair, much of the problem with version fragmentation is caused by the phone networks, and their insistence on only providing phone firmware that has been mucked about with to change logos and skins. Until the phone company issues an update, you're stuck (other than by rooting and/or installing custom or manufacturer-provided firmware). As the phones get older, the phone companies simply don't want to use the resources and would much rather you just go and buy a new phone from them.

Where Apple wins, and Google with the Nexus range, is that the manufacturer controls the update cycle, and the phone companies are simply not allowed to go and mess it up or delay releases for 6 months. My S2 is still waiting for 4.1. Every other network in the UK other than Orange and T-Mobile released it several months ago. My next phone, once I get out of a 24 month contract, will not have branding and will allow me to update it as soon as an update is out.
 
Again, named Android versions are similar to iOS releases. The fact that they number them differently is irrelevant.

Again, we disagree. My understanding of versioning is major vs incremental updates. Apple names their incremental releases just like Google does. Just like the difference between iOS 6 and 7 will be huge, the difference between 2.x and 4.x is just as huge. The difference between 4.0 and 4.1+ is marginal to the average user on Android. And yes, I get Project Butter and Google Now are main differences - but not enough to support a full OS version uptick.

I see Apple uses a lot of hardware to drive software releases (Siri, features in iOS 7) whereas Google does the opposite.

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Looking forward to getting iOS 7 on my iphone 5 within a couple of days of it being released.

Good luck getting key lime pie pushed to your GS3 before 2014...if ever.

A formally unannounced OS, let alone a release date, on a phone released over a year ago?

While I follow your logic, you're dealing in hypotheticals.
 
Again, we disagree. My understanding of versioning is major vs incremental updates. Apple names their incremental releases just like Google does. Just like the difference between iOS 6 and 7 will be huge, the difference between 2.x and 4.x is just as huge. The difference between 4.0 and 4.1+ is marginal to the average user on Android. And yes, I get Project Butter and Google Now are main differences - but not enough to support a full OS version uptick.

I see Apple uses a lot of hardware to drive software releases (Siri, features in iOS 7) whereas Google does the opposite.

:confused: Again, you are basing this on different numbering systems that are applied differently. Google considers named versions to be major releases on par with iOS major releases. Google made the chart and table grouping them that way. That's why 4.1 and 4.2 are both considered Jelly Bean.
 
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