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$95m to close the case, compared to $500m or more in lawyer fees to keep it going? Simple economics.
It was estimated to be $1.5B if they went to trial and lost. I think the threat for a trial was a power play. Easier to let it through to the catcher.

Shills will say "oh why did they do this?" They just wanna find something to whinge about.

There was no guilt or innocence; it's a settlement, not a judgement. A settlement means you (Apple) has agreed to the terms, as has the other party.

The case is done and can't be appealed.
Exactly. People could easily say "why didn’t the plaintiff go to trial if they knew they were right"
 
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IMO it's evident that various apps 'listen' without permission. Siri's frigging stupid so I don't trust it to profile me particularly accurately. However, I'm pretty sure that if not Siri, various other apps listen in on random stuff.
If an app is using the microphone, you will get an orange dot (green if the camera is being used) in the corner of your iPhone. There is no way around this, short of a security hole that lets apps bypass all of iOS's security to access the audio hardware directly.
 
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It's a nice theory, but do you really believe that?
1- Someone would have to ignore all the horrendous things that have happened historically to whistleblowers and be willing to risk everything, everything.
2- They would have to find someone to listen to them...
And yet this very story is about a bunch of people taking Apple to court about privacy breaches, and none of them have been assassinated afaik.

If someone found evidence that Apple were listening all the time, it would be 1) trivially easy to prove, 2) trivially easy to post the evidence online anonymously, 3) immediately picked up and confirmed or denied by security experts and news sites all around the world.
 
I had one of those "saw an ad related to something I said" situation and I have no explanation on how that ad came to me as I had 100% never typed those words anywhere.
 
And yet this very story is about a bunch of people taking Apple to court about privacy breaches, and none of them have been assassinated afaik.

If someone found evidence that Apple were listening all the time, it would be 1) trivially easy to prove, 2) trivially easy to post the evidence online anonymously, 3) immediately picked up and confirmed or denied by security experts and news sites all around the world.
…and there is not a single security expert I am aware of who publicly disputes Apples claims.
 
I had one of those "saw an ad related to something I said" situation and I have no explanation on how that ad came to me as I had 100% never typed those words anywhere.
But did a spouse, family member, friend, coworker, or someone else you spend time with type those words?

I get ads for stuff my wife searches for all the time.
 
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I had one of those "saw an ad related to something I said" situation and I have no explanation on how that ad came to me as I had 100% never typed those words anywhere.
I have seen cases where people were presented with YouTube videos or ads about things they merely thought about and they never talked about. No joke. Are they reading people’s minds?

In a way, yes. Predictive modeling is so good given all the data they have. People just have a hard time picturing what is possible with all this data.

Now I am not saying that no one is able to circumvent the operating system and turn on the microphone. I am simply saying that the eerie ads have other explanations that are more likely.
 
That’s just one scenario and an opinion without knowing specific facts of a case. Apple were clearly willing to accept $90M versus $1.5B. I won’t go into Crocodile infested waters to prove a point that I have a right to do it.

The fact that the plaintiffs agreed to the payout could equally be saying, they had no case on the advertisers getting access to those recordings or data.

The lawsuit was about Siri effectively listening when "Hey Siri" wasn’t uttered. In other words, false positives. Which ultimately was the entire point of that program; to make it better. It really comes down to this and that’s what they agreed to. The rest was just leverage to get what they ended up with. Clever lawyering.
I'll defer to your judgment on this one.
 
It’s not Apple it’s google. I get airline tickets stuff sent to my gmail account and my YouTube feeds get bombarded by hotel and travel ads.
They have to. That’s how they make money. All these billions are from ads. Shocking when you think about it for a moment.
 
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Do you use iCloud? Were Reminders sync’d to iCloud? Many apps can sync their data to iCloud if you let them and getting the data back from iCloud wouldn’t involve a step called “restore for backup”.
yes. iCloud is enabled for every option it is available for in settings on every device. perhaps to be more clear: had some lists in the Reminders app called Home, Errands, etc. Those lists were all deleted when I moved from Reminders to Things 3 for almost all my tasks management. Once I made that transition a couple of years ago (end of 2022 I think) I deleted everything in Reminders. Now, Reminders is only used for bills (because of how Things 3 handles due dates) and for some shared list with my wife for stuff and kids for their chores. To repeat, all of my Getting Things Done list were deleted a long time ago.

And when I erased and reset for my 2025 January "personal refresh" I erased my watch, my iPad mini, my iPad Pro, my iPhone 14, my MacBook Air, and my MacBook Pro. All fresh installs and set up as a new device. Did not use any restore from backup options.

And then signed back into iCloud on each device, began setting everything up and opening each app to get pass the splash screens for the app's new features. And there in Reminders were a couple of lists (with no tasks in them) that were deleted (I thought) years ago.
 
yes. iCloud is enabled for every option it is available for in settings on every device. perhaps to be more clear: had some lists in the Reminders app called Home, Errands, etc. Those lists were all deleted when I moved from Reminders to Things 3 for almost all my tasks management. Once I made that transition a couple of years ago (end of 2022 I think) I deleted everything in Reminders. Now, Reminders is only used for bills (because of how Things 3 handles due dates) and for some shared list with my wife for stuff and kids for their chores. To repeat, all of my Getting Things Done list were deleted a long time ago.

And when I erased and reset for my 2025 January "personal refresh" I erased my watch, my iPad mini, my iPad Pro, my iPhone 14, my MacBook Air, and my MacBook Pro. All fresh installs and set up as a new device. Did not use any restore from backup options.

And then signed back into iCloud on each device, began setting everything up and opening each app to get pass the splash screens for the app's new features. And there in Reminders were a couple of lists (with no tasks in them) that were deleted (I thought) years ago.
Wow. Very strange. But this does seem like a bug rather than a pointer to some insidious tracking (not saying you implied that). It’s a good thing that the lists were empty.

I’m a Things 3 user as well, BTW. However, with the recent enhancements to Reminders, I’ve been thinking of giving it a try :)
 
why would they pay if it was not true? shall I file a 95m lawsuit to take advantage of Apple's "generosity"?
No, they are afraid that further investigations could reveal a different reality.

The privacy-first selling point values more than 95MUSD to risk it.
 
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No, they are afraid that further investigations could reveal a different reality.

The privacy-first selling point values more than 95MUSD to risk it.
It's been detailed in this very thread that defending the lawsuit would cost more than $95m, it's literally impossible for this to be actually going on given how Siri works, and the advertising companies don't need to listen in to conversations, but sure, Apple is secretly lying about one of their biggest selling points and is paying hush money to cover it up.

I mean, why would you even use a company's products if you thought they were lying to your face like that about something they claim is a core belief and product differentiator?
 
Apple has been caught numerous times trying to say they’re the good guys and then want to spy on their users (scanning your photos, Siri listening to you, etc). Apple has lost all credibility.
 
And yet this very story is about a bunch of people taking Apple to court about privacy breaches, and none of them have been assassinated afaik.

If someone found evidence that Apple were listening all the time, it would be 1) trivially easy to prove, 2) trivially easy to post the evidence online anonymously, 3) immediately picked up and confirmed or denied by security experts and news sites all around the world.
Who were whistleblowers in this very story? I see only accusers. The two are not the same.
 
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Hmmm. It would seem that the new on by default "Help Apple Improve Search" setting in Sequoia kind of goes against this.
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It's been detailed in this very thread that defending the lawsuit would cost more than $95m, it's literally impossible for this to be actually going on given how Siri works, and the advertising companies don't need to listen in to conversations, but sure, Apple is secretly lying about one of their biggest selling points and is paying hush money to cover it up.

I mean, why would you even use a company's products if you thought they were lying to your face like that about something they claim is a core belief and product differentiator?
It would be a great opportunity to prove in a trial you are super privacy oriented... this would have no price, and a company to reinforce this image would be happy to pay more than 95 MUSD.

But, on the other side, if you believe you could be damaged, 95 MUSD is very cheap to close everything as soon as possible!

Why would I use it? Good point, I don't use it... it's not my first phone, I use it only for emails, SMS and some calls...
 
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Hmmm. It would seem that the new on by default "Help Apple Improve Search" setting in Sequoia kind of goes against this.
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What would happen if you got better search results if the company stored your results, queries etc with your permission? But they didn’t identify or even know who the person was that made those queries. That would be awesome wouldn’t it?

Now what would happen if they didn’t get your permission and then they identified you as the person who had that data and then sold it to someone, to make money so that the other company made money from you?

See the difference?
 
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It would be a great opportunity to prove in a trial you are super privacy oriented... this would have no price, and a company to reinforce this image would be happy to pay more than 95 MUSD.

But, on the other side, if you believe you could be damaged, 95 MUSD is very cheap to close everything as soon as possible!

Why would I use it? Good point, I don't use it... it's not my first phone, I use it only for emails, SMS and some calls...
OR. They agreed that they didn’t tell people that Siri would have false positives and they would be checking (breaching their agreement). Which they openly admitted, took the system down and rebooted it with an opt in only slider.

They refuted the Advertiser claim which couldn’t be shown, and couldn’t actually happen. The plaintiff agreed and too the payout. They paid out on the first one and they won on the second one.

Nothing is being hidden here, and only people who can’t read and understand this say otherwise. Don’t be lazy with your research. Why would you continue spreading bs about this when you know you are wrong?

How could they be damaged?
 
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