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(Ive’s voice) “The lock was custom engeinered with the highly weather resistant new aircraft grade series 20K Aluminum. It has 30% less moving parts. It is 3.5mm thinner than previous generation due to the amazing new Retina screen generation.”
 
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IMHO Apple has:

- the best platform for smart home tech (HomeKit), bt

- the worst hardware.

I don't need a $250 smart speaker. I certainly don't need a $700 smart lock that "boasts seven different grades of stainless steel."

If Apple wants to compete for my dollars I need practical, cost-effective, deployable-in-quantity hardware. More like lower-end Toyota than Tesla.
So what do you need? 30 buck retarded echo for issuing commands and 200 buck speaker for music? HomePod is awesome, I have two and SIRI when it comes down to controlling devices and playing music is stellar, plus I don't have to scream it hears me just fine.
 
Tim Cook has let Homekit languish, and that is likely the most important product that apple had. They even had a bit of a lead in that department but under Cooks leadership have done nothing with it. They needed to take hardware in house instead of relying on third parties.
Before Cook the Mac was very popular in schools, creative industry and attracted lots of newcomers to the platform. All they had to do is upgrade their gear on a yearly basis with the latest chips and technology. It would have cost them minimal effort and resources. But Cook chose to neglect the platform to a point I don’t even recommend it anymore to friends or family.
In the meantime the area where the Mac used to be king, there are hardly any Macs left. The new targeting group are the people who don’t know or care much about technology and are less demanding on tech.
Imho very few companies will buy the new MacPro when it ever sees the light of day, no matter how great it could be because Apple has proven to neglect those groups and not being a thrust worthy partner to invest in.
 
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Before Cook the Mac was very popular in schools, creative industry and attracted lots of newcomers to the platform.all they had to do is upgrade their gear on a yearly basis with the latest chips and technology. It would have cost them minimal effort and resources. But Cook chose to neglect he platform to a point I don’t even recommend it anymore to friends or family.
In the meantime the area where the Mac used to be king, there are hardly any Macs left. The new targeting group are the people who don’t know or care much about technology and are less demanding on tech.
Imho very few companies will buy the new MacPro when it ever sees the light of day, no matter how great it could because Apple has proven to neglect those groups and not being a thrust worthy partner to invest in.
Yeah but iPads
 
As a publicly traded company, they have to exist for both. In the end, if they make great products, people will buy them, and the shareholders will make their money. Apple does well when it comes to sales and customer satisfaction in a number of different product areas, so I think they are releasing good products - I just think you may not be the intended customer for said products. Traditional PC’s aren’t really Apple’s primary focus right now and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, which is fair, but there is much more opportunity for the company in other areas such as mobile, wearables, health, AR, and services. For many, that’s just not what they have come to expect from Apple and they aren’t happy about it. Like yourself. That doesn’t mean there isn’t someone on the other side completely content with their current products, like me. That’s why there are different companies for different markets and customers.
Apple doesn’t have to be a public company to attract more money for future investments as it has enough money of its own to do so. All what investors care of is getting the maximum profits in return. They don’t care about the products as long as there is money to be get. Not the best interest for you as a customer and since 2012 it shows.
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Yeah but iPads
iPads are great for surfing the Internet, email and light stuff. Although the hardware is great, iOS is holding it back. For the price of an iPad Pro you could buy so much better capable of doing real work.
The development on iOS to make use of the better hardware has been stagnant for years. That’s why chromebooks are taking over in education and very few use it for real work because it’s missing the OS to do so.
 
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Putting an Apple logo on a failed complex lock won't make it successful. There's a reason why it wasn't adopted the first time around because higher complexity means higher chance of failure. For something critical that can potentially lock you out of the house or, worse, in the house in the event of a fire or unintendedly unlock the door to strangers, people aren't ready to give up the reliability of traditional locks. Technology should make life easier and not worse.

Review for a top rated smart lock:

Exactly my thoughts. Some things can’t be fixed afterwards. The last thing Apple needs after those latest security blunders is a lock that turns out to be too fragile or overly welcoming once it’s been installed in thousands of homes. (just kidding, nobody‘s is actually going to buy a lock from Apple...).
You guys are missing the forrest for the trees. Just because he had a lock company before, that doesn’t mean he’s going to just focus on locks at Apple. I see this as a move by Apple to solidify their entire smart home strategy.
HomeSwitch $149, HomeLock $499, HomeCam $249, HomeHub (AirPort with HomeKit) $249, HomeFan, HomeSafe, HomeLight, HomeEverything with optional highly recommended subscription for it.
And then everyone will accuse them of ripping off Nest.
Shortcuts are a half-baked solution. I can set up as many as I want, but unless I’m home no one in my house can use them, and no one else in my house can have their own shortcuts on the HomePod. Multi-user support is badly needed. As far as smart home support tho, I am happy with my HomePod overall, although I would specifically like Logitech to up their game in regards to HomeKit support for their remotes.
Not to mention you have to manually trigger shortcuts, either through Siri or the app. The main strategy in the smart home needs to be automation, where things happen on their own based on what you do, not what you say. This is where HomeKit is lacking the most.
Tim Cook has let Homekit languish, and that is likely the most important product that apple had. They even had a bit of a lead in that department but under Cooks leadership have done nothing with it. They needed to take hardware in house instead of relying on third parties.
I think HomeKit has suffered from how they treated the AppleTV. AppleTV was a hobby device, and HomeKit was heavily associated with it, so HomeKit was considered a hobby too. I’m encouraged by this hire because it could be a sign that Apple is starting to treat HomeKit seriously now.
IMHO Apple has:

- the best platform for smart home tech (HomeKit), bt

- the worst hardware.

I don't need a $250 smart speaker. I certainly don't need a $700 smart lock that "boasts seven different grades of stainless steel."

If Apple wants to compete for my dollars I need practical, cost-effective, deployable-in-quantity hardware. More like lower-end Toyota than Tesla.
I would disagree that HomeKit is the best. It’s automations are too limited. For example, you can’t create a simple automation which turns lights on based on motion, but only between sunset and midnight. You also can’t do automation based on multiple inputs. For example, you can’t turn on the lights when ANY one of a list of motion sensors detects motion. I don’t know if it’s a UI limitation in the Home app, or if it’s an underlying limitation of HomeKit, but this is stuff that other platforms, such as SmartThings, can handle easily.

Edit to add: Several of the limitations I just mentioned are simply UI limitations in the Home app. When I use a third-party app, like Home 3, I am able to create some of the automations I described. That makes all of this just that much more frustrating.
 
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Ever heard of Yale locks? Assa Abloy is the parent company. They’re the biggest lock company in the world, it doesn’t even come close. Now they own August which is a very well known brand in smart home products. They’re well positioned to be competitive in the smart home space going forward.
I hate using the word pick proof, but I feel much safer with my Medeco cylinders than most of the junk sold in HD or Lowes.
 
Apple doesn’t have to be a public company to attract more money for future investments as it has enough money of its own to do so. All what investors care of is getting the maximum profits in return. They don’t care about the products as long as there is money to be get. Not the best interest for you as a customer and since 2012 it shows.
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iPads are great for surfing the Internet, email and light stuff. Although the hardware is great, iOS is holding it back. For the price of an iPad Pro you could buy so much better capable of doing real work.
The development on iOS to make use of the better hardware has been stagnant for years. That’s why chromebooks are taking over in education and very few use it for real work because it’s missing the OS to do so.

You are right that iOS holds the iPad back. the iPad hardware is extremely capable and right now the only thing keeping it from blossoming is Software.
 
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Apple doesn’t have to be a public company to attract more money for future investments as it has enough money of its own to do so. All what investors care of is getting the maximum profits in return. They don’t care about the products as long as there is money to be get. Not the best interest for you as a customer and since 2012 it shows.
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iPads are great for surfing the Internet, email and light stuff. Although the hardware is great, iOS is holding it back. For the price of an iPad Pro you could buy so much better capable of doing real work.
The development on iOS to make use of the better hardware has been stagnant for years. That’s why chromebooks are taking over in education and very few use it for real work because it’s missing the OS to do so.

Well sure, but obviously that wasn’t the case when they decided to become a publicly traded company. Of course investors care about getting maximum profits, but you’re not going to make any profits putting out bad products. You may not like Apple products, which is totally fine, but millions of people do. Their sales and customer satisfaction levels prove that.
 
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You should update your knowledge. HomePod entered the field behind the others who were already established but they haven’t stood still this past year. In recent tests, HomePod is now ahead of Alexa in its ability to answer questions, though still behind Google Assistant.

In terms of capabilities, what Amazon calls “Skills”, HomePod is quickly catching up with Siri Shortcuts, enabling iOS apps to perform functions from a HomePod. What’s more, Shortcuts are easy for developers to turn on in Xcode, rather than having to purposefully write a Skill like Alexa requires. If they have an app, then turning on Shortcuts makes it compatible with HomePod. So, we’ll see Siri catch up quickly. Hundreds of apps have already added Shortcuts in the 5 months that it’s been out.


I believe the comment was refering to their market penetration and options available. Not directly Siri comparison wise.

Apple's largest problem is the HomePod elephant in the room for home automation and integration. Users want voice control. Apple's only offering in this regard (other than leaving your iPad laying around) is the HomePod. a $350+, locked down device that only works exclusively with Apple services.

by only working directly with Apple's services, not only is it expensive if you're looking mroe for a input device for automation, but it limits you in what automation tools you can use. Apple's HomeKit, while works very VERY well, is limited in product's available by the hundreds. Where currently Alexa and Google have compatibility with 5000+ home automation products.

Getting some external blood in to help fix the HomeKit limitation issues and possibly steer Apple to getting a low cost home automation speaker out (doesn't have to be Alexa dot cheap, but something under $300 and NOT exclusive to APple only) is a move in the right direction for homekit. Plus working diligently to expand the scope of how much 3rd party HomeKit stuff there is.
 
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If Cook really cared about the home he shouldn’t have discontinued their WiFi line like an idiot.
 
As a publicly traded company, they have to exist for both. In the end, if they make great products, people will buy them, and the shareholders will make their money. Apple does well when it comes to sales and customer satisfaction in a number of different product areas, so I think they are releasing good products - I just think you may not be the intended customer for said products. Traditional PC’s aren’t really Apple’s primary focus right now and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, which is fair, but there is much more opportunity for the company in other areas such as mobile, wearables, health, AR, and services. For many, that’s just not what they have come to expect from Apple and they aren’t happy about it. Like yourself. That doesn’t mean there isn’t someone on the other side completely content with their current products, like me. That’s why there are different companies for different markets and customers.
DNichter, love your posts, very clear and informative. I think you are a professor at Warton school?
 
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If Cook really cared about the home he shouldn’t have discontinued their WiFi line like an idiot.

If Steve Jobs really cared about computers, he shouldn't have discontinued floppy drives like an idiot. /s

5G is going to overtake WiFi as the connectivity standard as anything with a CPU, big and small, will have 5G chips built in and can connect directly to the internet without requiring a local network.
 
For me all smart locks have the same failing, they can all be opened from inside without using a key. If someone breaks in via a window, they can easily leave by the front door. People leaving via the front door doesn’t arouse suspicion. Carrying a TV etc out of the window does. I would like a smart lock that was like a deadbolt ( not latch ) that needs a key both sides to lock and unlock manually, yet can be operated like a smart lock. It would also need to be made out of quality metal not like some of these plastic toys. You would then have a simple smart latch for normal opening and closing.
 
5G is going to overtake WiFi as the connectivity standard as anything with a CPU, big and small, will have 5G chips built in and can connect directly to the internet without requiring a local network.

That is a nightmare situation. I, like most people, prefer their home networks to be fire-walled via router - the most logical & secure arrangement. I do not want all devices connecting to the internet independently, ever. That’s a really bad idea.
 

Operative word here being "cheap," which also for Amazon and Google is a synonym for "spying opportunity."

"Apple should do this, Apple needs to do that." Never gets tiring, these recycled demands. And when Apple does do "this or that," the first thing you all complain about is the price and how it's a money grab and you can get it cheaper...on Amazon and Google.

Interesting and I enjoyed your TED talk. But I stand by my point. If they want to be competitive with the market leaders that are rapidly taking market share in a new sector, they need to change their approach.
 
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It was more so from my personal experience with Echo and Google mini, but here is some data to support it if needed. Link for more info. Commands are what you would use for smart home execution. They lag in other areas, but Siri is quite good when it comes to commands.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma.../siri-on-homepod-vs-alexa-google-cortana/amp/
Lol, 88% correct for navigation? You seem the guy who drives around in his car with an HomePod :rolleyes:
It shows it’s still the worst on information.
 
Depends on not just his skills, but also if he is the holder of the patents.

It was his startup. He had investors but he founded the company. He poached Apple employees to work on it but like any other company, anything employees invented while working there, belong to the company.
 
For me all smart locks have the same failing, they can all be opened from inside without using a key. If someone breaks in via a window, they can easily leave by the front door. People leaving via the front door doesn’t arouse suspicion. Carrying a TV etc out of the window does. I would like a smart lock that was like a deadbolt ( not latch ) that needs a key both sides to lock and unlock manually, yet can be operated like a smart lock. It would also need to be made out of quality metal not like some of these plastic toys. You would then have a simple smart latch for normal opening and closing.
Wouldn’t any lock that required a key to exit be a safety issue in case of an emergency?
 
Apple doesn't want to make the things. They just want to make the platform the things connect to.

I think so too but in order to have some of the best smart devices supporting Apple's platform, they need to insure that they're not poached by Google of Amazon. Nest was the earliest and biggest Apple champion in the smart home. When Google acquired them, there was understandably a big shift away from Apple. Nest still doesn't support HomeKit and probably never will. Amazon acquired Ring and HomeKit support appears to be cancelled.

If this keeps happening, HomeKit will never get the best devices on their smart home ecosystem. Apple could acquire a smart home company, keep it semi-independent like Beats and have it build reference devices to push third parties to compete, while maintaining support for HomeKit.
 
If Steve Jobs really cared about computers, he shouldn't have discontinued floppy drives like an idiot. /s

5G is going to overtake WiFi as the connectivity standard as anything with a CPU, big and small, will have 5G chips built in and can connect directly to the internet without requiring a local network.
Would each device require it’s own cellular plan then or will they be able to share one?
 
Wouldn’t any lock that required a key to exit be a safety issue in case of an emergency?

There are usually two locks on the house entry/exit door. One lock that doesn't require key to exit when home and a second lock that requires key to exit when not home which can share the same key.
 
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