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This is an amazing feature, it works great, and it does what it advertises. How is this a problem?
The data caps are the problem, you're attacking the wrong company - show these telecom providers with your wallet that you require the data and they are clinging on to the pre-mp3 model by believing in ridiculous data caps despite huge advertising schemes making consumers believe that LTE is the solution to all their problems. Apple certainly isn't in the wrong here, it's something you can easily turn on and off. It's not hidden in some advanced settings tab on page 5 after having to shake the device to make the option show or anything like that. What use is LTE with 120-something mbit internet and a 2gb data cap, or even 5gb or alike. When you can't even do a daily speed-test or you go over the limit? I hope the judge will say "pick a better telecom provider so when you blink you haven't used up your data, dismissed".

Even if this could be a guarantee win and I'd get 5000 out of it, I wouldn't do it. You go to court for justice, for wanting someone for doing the right thing. Not for the cash.
 
This is an amazing feature, it works great, and it does what it advertises. How is this a problem?
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Even if this could be a guarantee win and I'd get 5000 out of it, I wouldn't do it. You go to court for justice, for wanting someone for doing the right thing. Not for the cash.

It does more than it advertises. The Carriers might be in the wrong for the types of data caps however that gives Apple no right to turn on a new feature; hide it in settings, default it to on then add a "it might cost you more money" after the fact and cry foul when people object.

Please please please educate yourself on the dynamics of a CA lawsuit and how it all works. If you can come up with an alternative solution; a realistic solution, a workable tool, please trot it out so we as consumers can utilize ourselves of it.
 
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It does more than it advertises. The Carriers might be in the wrong for the types of data caps however that gives Apple no right to turn on a new feature; hide it in settings, default it to on then add a "it might cost you more money" after the fact and cry foul when people object.

Please please please educate yourself on the dynamics of a CA lawsuit and how it all works. If you can come up with an alternative solution; a realistic solution, a workable tool, please trot it out so we as consumers can utilize ourselves of it.
I disagree with your point of view - sorry.
 
Just as a reference, I am on a shared 1 gig data plan for all three of my devices. These devices are used for work, with the iPads doing multiple forms from the cloud throughout the day on my busier days.

Has my data usage increased? Not enough to kick me into the next highest plan. in fact, I still have a comfortable margin to go. How do I do that? By limiting high-bandwidth activities to times when I KNOW that I have a good Wi-Fi signal. Due to the construction of my residence, there are certain areas that have a low cellular signal. By the logic of this lawsuit, if by some chance I was saddled with an ISP which instituted data caps on my home network, I should be able to sue over the voice call over Wi-Fi feature since it would increase my data usage on my home network.

The setting to turn the Wi-Fi assist off is only slightly misplaced IMHO - it actually should be above the "Use Cellular Data for" apps list, right below the "Cellular Data Usage" counter. Thats a more appropriate place.

In that same screen is a setting to determine what you want to allow to roam. For my iPhone, I can control voice, data, and international CDMA.

IMHO this is no different than the roaming settings - if you have reasonable suspicion that you would have an issue, the intelligent thing to do is either look for yourself or ask for help before it becomes an issue OR the first time you experience an issue.

While there have been a couple of well documented posts in the thread that showed actual issues due to their unique circumstances, I believe the most common issues with the new wi-fi switching algorithm are part of a larger trend; it is more of a failure of industry in general to provide clear, easy to read, written on paper guide to the capabilities of todays electronic devices. Despite the efficiency of electronic documentation, it is human nature to click through it or ignore the links. As an example of how this works, I just got a new van for work. The info center has a few features that can be programmed that I never knew about, until I opened the owners manual. If it had been a CD book or a download, I wouldn't have bothered, and would have missed a few things that make my life easier. An Apple manual in type that doesn't require a magnifying glass, one that at least covers the Settings area in a general fashion, saying what kind of settings are where, in a paper form is the most likely way to get users to actually become familiar with those areas.

As far as the legitimacy of the CA: A perfectly reasonable CA was the Ford Pinto lawsuit, where an engineering change by Ford made the vehicle a rolling death trap. By the same logic used in this CA, we should also be able to sue Microsoft for the Windows 10 updates they now force you to download, not giving you a way out of it. This type of lawsuit is what drives up costs on everything. Any time a new material is developed for something, they now have to factor in the cost of someone finding out a previously unnoticed side effect of being near it and filing a billion dollar CA suit. (Asbestos anyone??) Medically, besides (I've been told) almost half the cost of your doctor's visit going to malpractice insurance just in case they miss something and get sued, (I lost a nephew to an intestinal rupture - we didn't sue the doctors for not finding the weak spot he had from birth!), but if a medicine has a side effect that was not found during testing the lawyers are all over it, and instead of resources going to finding a better medicine they go into finding a new yacht for some lawyer.

In the situations that have been mentioned, the poster noted that they had located the setting, even if it required some research, and turned it off. The question that needs answered is what percentage of the user base is experiencing similar issues? The only unbiased source I can think of is the cell providers; if they reported actual numbers of people with this issue then we could go to Apple with something that they can use. Otherwise, assumptions must be made, and those never work out.

Case in point: Let's assume only 50 percent of iPhone / iPad users post on the net, no matter if their experience is good or bad. to keep the numbers reasonable, I'll focus on the users who bought a 6S and 6S Plus in the first week, which was reported as 13 million (rounded) that gives us 6.5 million posting about their experience. Let's say only 10 percent of those actually go to Apple or forums like this to get news. we are down to 650,000. A serious flaw would be roughly a 10 percent problem rate, so you would see 65,000 people posting their issue. A Marginal problem that should be considered would be a 5 percent rate, or 32,500. Now to throw a monkey wrench into the works, it is a safe bet that 1 percent of all of the posts (at least on sites that do not monitor their users) are from people who have nothing better to do than to complain about a product they don't even own. I didn't notice any one percenters in this thread, but in other websites they run rampant at times. The theoretical question with these numbers is do we have somewhere between 30,000 and 60,000 of the users in this sample group having the issue? If the answer is yes, then a bug exists; if it is higher then it is broken, if it is lower than there are some unique situations that exist that we need to look into further. Any change in a product from any company, not just Apple, goes through that kind of review when problems are reported.

Sorry for the book, but I just couldn't stop until I made my points!
 
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When 'wifi assist' is active, does the phone treat it like a wifi connection which would eg enable it to download large podcasts which I've set as 'wifi only', or large app updates? Or does the phone consider it a normal cellular connection with the same restrictions as if you were out and about in a cellular only area?
 
When 'wifi assist' is active, does the phone treat it like a wifi connection which would eg enable it to download large podcasts which I've set as 'wifi only', or large app updates? Or does the phone consider it a normal cellular connection with the same restrictions as if you were out and about in a cellular only area?

Your cellular data kicks in because of poor wifi connection: It is an actual cellular connection which your phone consider as such.
 

I think I have put this in before. Not sure.
Based on the behavior of corporations, including Apple, what other tools do consumers have to engender a "fix"? I admit lawyers take far to frequent advantage of CA lawsuits. However judges do have the ability to dismiss these if they look frivolous or not applicable.
Alternative tools that have a decent chance of working. This is a serious lack.

When 'wifi assist' is active, does the phone treat it like a wifi connection which would eg enable it to download large podcasts which I've set as 'wifi only', or large app updates? Or does the phone consider it a normal cellular connection with the same restrictions as if you were out and about in a cellular only area?

I did find when I tested that LTE took over from wifi and YouTube kept playing even though I have YouTube set to No for cellular use.
Didn't realize that it had done that till another poster mentioned they had seen something similar and I checked the YouTube setting..
 
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Pure, unadulterated greed.
Yes greed on the part of the company, before I never even used 1 gb of data so I changed my plan all of a sudden I am getting messages from my carrier that I am going over. Had to change my plan again or get hit with an enormous bill. My data was been used when my wi-fi was too weak
 
It is not that simple you turn it off and you can't use your wi-fi been there done that

Wifi still works fine with wifi assist off. And I think there is more then adequate evidence it does not adversely hurt cellular data in any meaningful way at this point.

Huffington post reports iPhones call brain cancer....hurry sue!!
 
Yes greed on the part of the company, before I never even used 1 gb of data so I changed my plan all of a sudden I am getting messages from my carrier that I am going over. Had to change my plan again or get hit with an enormous bill. My data was been used when my wi-fi was too weak

Post a screen shot of settings > cellular then the top apps.
 
I just switched over from unlimited to a 15GB/mo shared plan (I have my reasons, and it was thought out), and I was staying at my brother in law's house, which had WiFi at the other end of the house. My daughter decided to watch Netflix, and I checked the data usage. Yep, 630 MB used on Cell...
Checked WiFi Assist, and it was on, so I turned it off.

Here's the things that Apple can do, and these may already be implemented...
1. Have it off by default. This way, you have to walk yourself down that road.
2. Have a message when you turn it on, saying that whatever the consequences (using Youtube, FB, Netflix as WiFi only) may be data usage.
3. Have an icon that has a WiFi assist glow when you're in that mode, where the WiFi is being assisted.

Since I turned it off, I've used about 50 MB in the 3 days since.

As for a lawsuit, I am more understanding of those that got hit with the data overages, but for me, it is that I caught it in time, and it's a "no harm, no foul" thingy.
 
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It's a good idea in theory. It's meant to "assist", but it shouldn't be wi-fi "replacement". You should be notified and the setting should be temporary.
 
I just switched over from unlimited to a 15GB/mo shared plan (I have my reasons, and it was thought out), and I was staying at my brother in law's house, which had WiFi at the other end of the house. My daughter decided to watch Netflix, and I checked the data usage. Yep, 630 MB used on Cell...
Checked WiFi Assist, and it was on, so I turned it off.

Here's the things that Apple can do, and these may already be implemented...
1. Have it off by default. This way, you have to walk yourself down that road.
2. Have a message when you turn it on, saying that whatever the consequences (using Youtube, FB, Netflix as WiFi only) may be data usage.
3. Have an icon that has a WiFi assist glow when you're in that mode, where the WiFi is being assisted.

Since I turned it off, I've used about 50 MB in the 3 days since.

As for a lawsuit, I am more understanding of those that got hit with the data overages, but for me, it is that I caught it in time, and it's a "no harm, no foul" thingy.
iOS 8 has had similar complaints, so I think it's buggy software that determines when a cutover is necessary. I have unlimited data and turn off cell when I don't need it, so I don't really know if it's problematic.
 
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