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And people talk about not wanting to handing their phone to a cop on the side of the road for a digital driver's license.

:rolleyes:
 
I never thought that apple was protecting user data from legitimate court requests. No siree. That was not what I thought that apple would risk legal entanglement for legitimate requests.
 
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So, essentially, Apple hosted a conference aimed at helping law enforcement become more tech-savvy and learn how to use Apple products more effectively?

Like a high-end version of the Genius Bar support sessions?

Yes but from the sound of it, the sessions were teaching them how to use the safety features they might not know about, like how to check for blood type and allergies, contact emergency contacts, know what they’re seeing when they get an automatic alert from the phone, etc.

This is excellent, I’m all for it. I hope this training is given more widely.
 
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Genuinely curious how something like AVP can help law enforcement.

Something with multiple high resolution cameras and other sensors watching surroundings and your hands and eyes at all times? Sounds useful to me. Sounds like a sci-fi murder mystery. Person found dead with Vision Pro on. Rewind, find the last thing the victim saw! Zoom and enhance!
 
Yes but from the sound of it, the sessions were teaching them how to use the safety features they might not know about, like how to check for blood type and allergies, contact emergency contacts, know what they’re seeing when they get an automatic alert from the phone, etc.

This is excellent, I’m all for it. I hope this training is given more widely.
That'd be great if that's what it was for. You'd think they'd trumpet it from the rooftops like their other safety initiatives rather than holding clandestine conferences, though? Seems like a strange choice when Apple's generally pretty good with getting the word out about the positive impacts their technology can have.
 
So, essentially, Apple hosted a conference aimed at helping law enforcement become more tech-savvy and learn how to use Apple products more effectively?

Like a high-end version of the Genius Bar support sessions?
You do realize that you're never going to get ad revenue spinning it like that
 
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If the purpose of this was “No, we won’t help you get access to private data but in exchange, we will show you how to better use what’s already available even more efficiently “ , then I don’t see a contradiction with their pro-privacy marketing.

But i can understand why this would be misinterpreted by a lot people and why they would want to keep it quiet.
 
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It's American designed software on American designed hardware, makes sense to want to use it for government and police in America.
No, law enforcement agencies should use only open software based tools. They manage super sensitive (personal) data... They cannot trust any "blackbox" device.
 
If the purpose of this was “No, we won’t help you get access to private data but in exchange, we will show you how to better use what’s already available even more efficiently “ , then I don’t see a contradiction with their pro-privacy marketing.

But i can understand why this would be misinterpreted by a lot people and why they would want to keep it quiet.
Evenl here people understood it was a sales/commercial event, but reality is much more scaring.
 
Yes but from the sound of it, the sessions were teaching them how to use the safety features they might not know about, like how to check for blood type and allergies, contact emergency contacts, know what they’re seeing when they get an automatic alert from the phone, etc.

This is excellent, I’m all for it. I hope this training is given more widely.
You read want you want to read in the article... Maybe safari has changed the article content...
 
While Apple’s commitment to privacy should never be understated, it’s important these tools can be used to keep Americans safe and protect minors from vile things. I like what I‘m hearing here. It makes me proud to be an Apple customer.
I'm proud to be a good citizen for the community I live in; I'm not proud to be a customer of ANY company.

And you shouldn't be too: bear in mind, for them you are just an ID in a database... no more!

Do something to be proud of...
 
They know already a lot. Here in Germany Cops called my brother over emergency contakt at my phone (that's okay). But i always will warn intensivly; do not use face id. You never know, what will happen in your life in the future and what will bring you in trouble - even if you are innocent. For futher infos ask your attourney ;-).
 
I'm proud to be a good citizen for the community I live in; I'm not proud to be a customer of ANY company.

And you shouldn't be too: bear in mind, for them you are just an ID in a database... no more!

Do something to be proud of...

That’s a really sad way of viewing the world.

I regard all of us as being part of one big Apple family. Nobody is just an ID in a database. We all contribute to making this ecosystem of products and services the best in the world.
 
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That'd be great if that's what it was for. You'd think they'd trumpet it from the rooftops like their other safety initiatives rather than holding clandestine conferences, though? Seems like a strange choice when Apple's generally pretty good with getting the word out about the positive impacts their technology can have.
If they're teaching law enforcement investigative techniques to get the maximum possible information out of an iPhone/Apple product, within the confines of the current security measures, without having to resort to specialized equipment (and without providing backdoors for them), is that something you really want everybody else in the world to know how to do?

If my phone/device is stolen or otherwise falls into the wrong hands, I'd prefer that they were as dumb as possible about what information they could extract from it. I'd prefer that Apple didn't "trumpet it from the rooftops". Criminals pay attention to that kind of intel too. There are plenty of things that I'm perfectly okay with law enforcement being secretive about and not revealing to the general public.
 
If they're teaching law enforcement investigative techniques to get the maximum possible information out of an iPhone/Apple product, within the confines of the current security measures, without having to resort to specialized equipment (and without providing backdoors for them), is that something you really want everybody else in the world to know how to do?

If my phone/device is stolen or otherwise falls into the wrong hands, I'd prefer that they were as dumb as possible about what information they could extract from it. I'd prefer that Apple didn't "trumpet it from the rooftops". Criminals pay attention to that kind of intel too. There are plenty of things that I'm perfectly okay with law enforcement being secretive about and not revealing to the general public.
I definitely want as many people to know as possible. Being knowledgable about potential attack vectors helps people protect themselves and others. We can't make an effort to mitigate the damage a bad actor could do if we don't know a vulnerability exists. More knowledge also helps limit the spread of bad information and harmful advice.
 
Some understand the article as Apple looking to sell Visions Pro. Since retail are not buying, government sure could sure waste more tax-payers funds.
The American government sure has our best interests. Affordable housing and heathcare is so overrated anyways. Giving an AVP to every pig with a badge is a top priority. /s
 
Yes but from the sound of it, the sessions were teaching them how to use the safety features they might not know about, like how to check for blood type and allergies, contact emergency contacts, know what they’re seeing when they get an automatic alert from the phone, etc.

This is excellent, I’m all for it. I hope this training is given more widely.
This is rationalizing.

The uncomfortable truth is that the "power of the individual" concept only works in a situation where the pie is big enough for everybody to get a share. Today the size of the pie is getting smaller by the hour and therefore the need for greater control and surveillance is much higher.
 
This is rationalizing.

The uncomfortable truth is that the "power of the individual" concept only works in a situation where the pie is big enough for everybody to get a share. Today the size of the pie is getting smaller by the hour and therefore the need for greater control and surveillance is much higher.

Eh, maybe it's just part of it. I have met enough cops through IT work to know that most of them are fairly tech illiterate and really do need the tech help just to do their jobs. I doubt Apple was telling them how to illegally seize and search phones.

I'm not sure the need for control and surveillance is any higher than it has ever been. Soviet Russia was big on control and surveillance too, didn't work out great for people there.
 
I'm not sure the need for control and surveillance is any higher than it has ever been. Soviet Russia was big on control and surveillance too, didn't work out great for people there.
Khrushchev was a Trotsky follower and started subversion of the Soviet Union since 1953 including implementation of the abortion and so on. USSR still lasted until the 1991 and Russia is still a player today which implies that the Soviet foundation is very sound to say the least.
 
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