The positive is the Vision Pro sales and subsequent owners who are still actively engaged with the product means not many are inconvenienced at all.
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Well... as one who is very interested in the AVP gen 2 (having a potential app to develop in mind), it would be nice to not have to wade through all of the grade-school level AVP slams (in addition to all of the daily Apple/Cook hate) that doesn't add anything to the overall conversation, and is a huge distraction. No doubt people have moved to other places due to that. I'm a member of another Mac/tech centric forum where that doesn't occur at all.
Regarding AVP sales... the numbers I've seen reported in various places range from 400,000 to 500,000 units.
Also: I very much appreciate the feedback (both good and not so good) from actual AVP owners here. Thank You!
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The reason that the Mac display is apparently so good is because it can specifically be very high resolution in the headset.
And those screens? Estimates put them at about $1000 together.
The raw material cost for VP is estimated to have been at about $1500 per unit and the high resolution micro OLED displays make up the bulk of that.
So it doesn’t really matter how many other things they remove, the point is that as long as those displays cost that much, the retail cost of any device using them is likely to be in the thousands.
Meta and Samsung take a much bigger loss than Apple is willing to and even still their headsets that are even comparable to the VP in resolution were/are $1500 and $1800 respectively.
This mythical $600 plastic headset that isn’t screen quality equivalent to a 720P LCD just doesn’t exist.
What kind of TV do you have? OLED? What size and model? I'm curious as an OLED/movie/theater lover how the AVP will be vs a big OLED for watching a movie. Plex user?
There's no way you're getting the M5 chip and that display for $600 never mind the rest of it. That alone is $1500 i'd say. You still need pass through for the peripheral use, so you still need the entire AR side and pipeline too.
Just download Supercut. You get to watch all your Netflix in a cinema and everything.
My wife's comment is that this is a very anti-social device. Only one person is involved with the device to the exclusion of any other folks in the room.
If she died before me, then I could see possibly see the use as I would be living alone.
If she died before me, then I could see possibly see the use as I would be living alone.
My wife doesn’t like me wearing it if we were gonna watch something together. And boy I tried. I figured maybe I could watch the Vision Pro while she watches on the TV and we watch the same thing but there’s just something about the device that is isolating
I will say I love my Vision Pro for my time alone though. Currently watching Dune two and writing this message as we speak in it lol
The VP is the perfect device for "loners" since they do not socialize. But will it make loners out of the rest of us?
That is the real question....
That is the real question....
I have a Sony 83" OLED (A80L) with B&W 5.1.2 system.
On the AVP I use Plex (through Screenlit). From a video/visual perspective the AVP is superior. The size, clarity and viewing of a high quality 4K movie in AVP is unbeatable. I use AirPods Pro 2 with my AVP, but prefer the sound experience of my home theatre system. I'd say the overall experience in AVP is better.
But it doesn't need to be one or the other. The AVP is not going to replace the TV in your living room/home theatre because it is a solo device.
…It’s not for the general population though.
No different than the Mac Pro, iPad Pro, Pro Display XDR, and the Macbook Pro not being for the general population as well…
For devs chasing mass consumers more immediately there are several platforms with mainstream headsets or such headsets on the horizon to pursue instead.
Starting off a headset with ideal spec affordances first over a wild goose chase what compromises can be made to appease non-gaming mainstream users is what Apple elected to do that mirrors how personal computers and smart phones first pursued being viable with enterprise, military, and business, and prosumers first before mainstream consumers.
Not necessarily the only approach or the best application of the approach towards why it’s awesome there’s at least one other modern prosumer headset—the Galaxy XR—that tries to be more balanced than such audiences only having Apple as their only serious option.
Note what likely will make more sense for mainstream consumers that they’ll also be okay with being severely compromised iteration of spatial computing is glasses.
I would not be surprised Apple elected to only offer a prosumer option for headsets that gets updated every 2-3 years or sporadically like the Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR by design just like GPUs (aligning with prosumer/enterprise upgrade cycle conventions)
VisionOS has APIs expected to directly translate to at least a prosumer tier of glasses and a compromised or simplified version of such APIs with the mainstream offering.
…A great deal of productive work and highest forms of media are best experienced / done individually with communal equivalents of the latter usually costing much more if possible at all.
For example a communal spatial computing hardware at comparable canvas sizes as what a Vision Pro or comparable headset (Galaxy XR) projects costs thousands more such as Brelyon’s, Sony’s and Looking Glass Factory’s glasses-free spatial computing displays.
Nothing stopping people from investing in both. If you want to watch/share visual things with others, you should buy a TV and/or monitor in addition to a headset for optimal individual consumption/productivity.
Even the amount of money by spatial adult entertainment indicates the money+value is certainly there for productions that have to be at much higher resolutions and refresh rates than traditional computing.
Spatial content latent benefits is to allow higher resolution and resolutions to be justified for content production far sooner and faster than what traditional computing devices encouraged with what many people are willing to settle for these days.
Many are content with subpar sharpness for standard monitors and rudimentary refresh rates of 60hz; neither flies with spatial computing hardware.
TV broadcasts and large panel manufacturers have happily exploited this complacency by the general public.
Live spatial broadcasts can make the difference very clear similar to what the adult industry has done toward why Apple is pursuing that.
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Killer app for me is Mac Virtual Display and environments while keeping all those other things that used to be open on my desktop (e.g., Calendar, Messages, News, Stocks, etc.) floating in space, not in my work environment. I love having my perfect work environment with me in every room of the house (or in a hotel room). I do not ever want to go back to desktop monitors.
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You should watch Adam Savage's review of the M5 version and pay attention to what he says about using the Vision Pro in virtual conversations. The environment is more interactive than cell phones as one person's sound doesn't cut out another's. The personas make eye-to-eye contact seem fluid and natural. In environments with multiple participants, he talks about having side conversations with people while others are talking. In other words, in a meeting like environment, the AVP enables communication closer to in-person experiences than any other medium has gotten.
I suppose if you look at the AVP as only a movie-consumption device, you will think it is more only for loners. But, I have found it superior for conferencing. In fact, I have used my AVP on a Zoom calls and in one case, the person on the other end was completely unaware they were seeing my persona, not a camera image of me. They only realized it wasn't me on camera when I asked them how my persona looked half-way through our hour-long call. So, no the AVP isn't just for loners. It can provide a superior environment for video conferencing that I suspect is only going to get better over time, allowing more intimate levels of telepresence.
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The problem with some of these killer app examples is they’re not mainstream demands.
It would be like comparing multi monitor setups or spatial videos to a forklift or a pair of rock climbing shoes. All of those things are really good for specific people but not as a mainstream product. Until there’s something that changes the lives of mainstream consumers, the VP will remain extremely niche.
It would be like comparing multi monitor setups or spatial videos to a forklift or a pair of rock climbing shoes. All of those things are really good for specific people but not as a mainstream product. Until there’s something that changes the lives of mainstream consumers, the VP will remain extremely niche.
Nothing to do with "killer app" because there will never be a single killer app. It is completely subjective based on the user.
For me the AVP killer app is Lapz. It is the best live sports viewing experience I have ever seen. But for someone who doesn't like F1 it is going to be of no interest.
The main barrier for AVP becoming more mainstream is price and until this is addressed, maybe through a slimmed down version, nothing will change.
That's a fair observation. At its current price level, the Vision Pro is not aimed at a mainstream audience. The form factor of the device assures that it won't ever be mainstream. Vision "glasses" would solve that problem, but the technology isn't there yet. However, even with vision glasses, there is no mainstream application yet–nor is there for Ray-Ban Meta glasses, unless you consider wearing surreptitious cameras into privacy areas mainstream. People forget the uproar about Google glass. The privacy invasion aspect of having cameras caused an uproar and had them banned from bathrooms and locker rooms.
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Immersive video is amazing. 3D movies are good. There's not enough immersive video for it to be a killer app yet. It will require less expensive units and better ergonomics before video entertainment consumption on Vision products becomes mainstream.
I enjoy reading these kinds of comments—because at some “infinite point in the future,” they’ll be the ones being re-read and laughed at.
Do you genuinely believe the future doesn’t involve the digital world being overlaid on the real one?
I spent £3,800 on a device that I knew would enhance my workflow and also offer a bit of fun outside of work. Fortunately, I was right. And whether anyone demands I “prove it” or not doesn’t really change that
It always amazes me that other people watched the same sci-fi movies that I watch and see these really cool visions for future technology and somehow they just assume 50 years from now we are just gonna be using brick iPhones. Just slabs in our hands that’s it? If 50 years we’re still just using regular iPhones and iPads and we haven’t progressed at all to anything beyond this then that is truly sad.
Immersive content i would say are killer apps or will be. sporting events will be game changing for those who love sport like myself.