Fixed to reflect the reality of actual consumers.I think a good percentage of consumers would SAY they'd be willing to pay higher prices to know that the production of their devices was not supporting and directly funding the Chinese Communist Party. Those consumers would in turn probably not keep their devices longer to offset the cost instead of our common and stupid 2 year phone cycle. They'd most likely continue to do what they've always done... like the majority of consumers.
Apple hasn't banned the publication of rumors, most of which are false and absurd on their face.
Read the article and try again.
I do wish them luck with that. It would be nice to return to the days when Apple took the stage to reveal things that no one knew were coming. Of course that doesn't mix well with being the most profitable company in the world.Yeah. Good luck with that.
Hasn't that experiment in capitalism already been done in essence? US Customs law requires country of origin to be prominently labeled on all products so it's not a secret to anyone where a product comes from. There have been several 'buy American products' campaigns... and yet business to be price competitive has moved manufacturing off shores. People consistently vote with their wallets for lower costs regardless of consequences (goodbye small town shops, hello Wallmart is another example).
"accusations of a double standard."
Well, it might very well be since the person who hires is different than the person hired. The answer is: if you don't like it, work somewhere else. It is really an issue for Apple to insist on tight security for the manufacturers of their products? One wouldn't think so.
As an aside, I am surprised that the (so-called by some in China) baizuo who are implementing this haven't been called racist, xenophobic, and perhaps sexist by the critics yet.
Because back in those days, corporate espionage wasn't quite at the level it is today. So yeah, back-in-the-day everything seemed sort of newish, except when maybe an iphone 4 was left in a bar....I do wish them luck with that. It would be nice to return to the days when Apple took the stage to reveal things that no one new were coming. Of course that doesn't mix well with being the most profitable company in the world.
Can't do it without slave labor and make all of those profits. It's a low bar with Apple, but maybe if they'd at least pay their taxes it would be a start. And don't worry, the sycophants will be here shortly to dismiss Apple's awful behavior.
Cool, so now the laborers barely make a living wage and are monitored like prisoners of war.
Apple recently updated its security guidelines for its manufacturing partners, implementing tougher measures at factories to prevent leaks, according to an internal document obtained by The Information's Wayne Ma.
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Among the changes mentioned in the report:
The Information's paywalled report goes into more detail about the changes, which appear to have been implemented earlier this year.
- Apple's manufacturing partners can no longer collect biometric data such as fingerprints or facial scans of Apple employees who visit their facilities. However, the new rule does not apply to factory workers, leading to accusations of a double standard.
- Apple's manufacturing partners must conduct criminal background checks on all assembly line workers who work on unreleased Apple products, rather than only certain employees, and those with criminal records are to be denied entry to areas where unreleased Apple products are being developed or assembled.
- Apple is upgrading its computer system installed at some factories to determine how long parts should remain at one production station before moving to another. If a sensitive component in transit takes an unusually long time to arrive at its destination, security alarms are to be triggered.
- Factory guards at checkpoints must keep detailed logs of the movement of workers carrying sensitive parts from one area to another.
- Factory visitors are now required to present a government-issued ID.
- Factory security cameras are now required to capture all four sides of transport vehicles when they are parked at the facilities.
- Video recordings that show the destruction of prototypes and defective parts are now required to be retained for at least 180 days.
Article Link: Apple Implements Tougher Security Guidelines at Factories to Prevent Leaks
Yeah, it was a hyperbolic comparison, nobody's arguing with that.Seriously? @Herrpod made the absolutely ludicrous statement that the new security protocols at an Apple production facility were equivilent to the treatment of POWs and you think I was being smug and should attempt to present this person with supportive facts to change their opinion?
Ok....
Foxconn:
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POW Camp:
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* picture from ccmms.ca of the Sham Shui Po Prisoner of War camp
An excerpt from the article:
“I went into the first building I came to and it was very dark. There were about 40 men in there, Canadians, sitting at tables and so forth. I said, ‘Hi you guys, don’t you want to see a Canadian?’
Then they ran forward and saw my cap badge. Those men were really skeletons. You could see their bones through the skin.
Then they were crying and weren’t ashamed of crying. And finally I cried, too because they were telling me what they had suffered.”
Nuff said?
I am not claiming that factory life in China is all roses, I am simply stating that the comparision to POW life is criminally stupid.
Correction to the post as I see it: Apple doesn't pay assemblers anything. Apple sub-contracts to Foxconn who pays assemblers the prevailing wage for the location they are at. The numbers about manufacturing costs are estimates, which could be off by large margin. So your conclusion about how much a phone might cost in the US is based on guesstimates, of which the error is not known.Not really. This is the lie billionaires tell and far too many Americans believe.
Apple pays assemblers in china bout $3.15/hour. The iPhone 12 Pro costs Apple about $406 in manufacturing costs of which $10 is labour. Call it 3-4 hours per phone. If you pay American workers $15/hour it will raise Apple's cost on an iPhone by $40-50.
Apple should be easily Able to negotiate a tax credit that high with the government to build a factory making $10 billion/year of iPhones in the US, but even if they couldn't. They could raise the cost of the phone $50 in exchange for making in the US. If they can't get the tax credit and that price increase to keep $10 billion per year circulating in the US economy is a problem for most Americans then, frankly, they deserve all the problems their country has.
Another way to look at it. A front line McDonalds worker in the US gets $7.25/hour, no meaningful health care, vacation, sick leave, etc. A front line McDonalds worker in Denmark makes 22 Euro per hour, gets 6 weeks of vacation, free health care, a year of paid maternity leave and paid sick leave. A Big Mac costs 30 cents more in Denmark than the US....but the company margins are lower. Which system do you think is better for 99.99% of the population? So why screw over that 99.99% so the 0.01% can make billions instead of mere hundreds of millions?
Apple has a long history of using The Information as their controlled leaks. ( You can think of it more like Apple's PR )I wonder if this article was a leak.