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No one ever needs a bass-heavy headphone. If your game, movie, or music doesn't have enough bass when played through highly-regarded, high-end headphones (Sennheiser, Bowers & Wilkins, AKG, etc.) then complain to the company that released it. It's not the job of headphones to alter the EQ from what the artists built into the tracks.

I've heard Sony makes some pretty decent headphones too! :D

Actually, most professional video and audio studios I have seen (including my own) use the tried and true MDR-7506 (or better).

...even with all of Sony's loses I would still probably be able to find some logic to Apple purchasing some part or all of Sony rather than Dr. Dre(adful).

-Iamthinking
 
Nest was just a piece of hardware, did not generate any subscription money. And the ROI on nest would be extremely low.

Depends upon the margin on the hardware and how much of it they sell. And it is not a subscription yet.... ( I think there was already talk of Nest/Goole pimping out aggregated info to utilities. That will be (is ?) a pay-to-play service. )

For example, Nest Protect is $129 while average smoke detectors are $30. Protect does more (and has higher bill for materials ) but with high margins get to ROI much quicker than razor thin margins.


Whatsapp again no subscription money, free service.

Just a "first crack rock free" service.

http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/general/23014681

After the free trail, you pay. Same with Beats music, it is a $119/yr service ( with a substantially shorter free trail period.)
There are margins built in but they'll need to get to millions of users to hit break even.


In both cases though Google/Facebook did not do what the hardware/service already. Flip iTunes Radio to explicitly pay-to-play and done as far as the streaming on subscription goes. It would cost money to do but not billions.
 
Still not confirmed but if this is true this is how I see it.

Apple really should have had a Spotify competitor out as we speak or at the very least be ready to launch one. Jobs may have shunned the subscription route but Cook has had the last few years to see the segment grow. He should have had Apple working on a true alternative to Spotify.

Beats bought MOG for 14M and within 2 years launched Beats Music. They did this with less resources than Apple.

I hope Apple does more than simply improve the exterior design of Beats headphones. Audio quality improvements would be gladly welcomed and needed more than design.

I would think Apple would want to rebrand Beats Music into something related to iTunes which is a stronger brand when it comes to digital music.
 
The headphones, etc had to come with the package. Heck, they're not great and not worth the money, but they're certainly better than the earbuds Apple sells.

I know plenty of people who use and like Apple's earbuds and would never in a million years use Beats, at least not the big gaudy over the ear style. I hope plans on improving Beats offerings in terms of both build and sound quality and not just milk the existing product.
 
1) they won't sell 10m pairs of $300 headphones
2) even if they did, that math would only work if the profit margin on those earphones was 100%. It's high, but not 100%.
3) many people believe the nest and whatsapp acquisitions were wildly overvalued, so I'm not sure that's the best defense of this one.

Well I heard they sold 20m headphones already, but obviously not all of them are $300. If Apple turns beats by dre to beats by apple, adds a few unique hardware features that integrate well to other apple devices, than sky is the limit.

For example, not one headphone company has done wireless headphones the right way. Because Bluetooth is just not reliable enough, but if they make headphones with airplay, that could be huge. Lots of fitness related features can be built into a headphone and again that would be huge. Combine Apple and Beats branding, and they could charge whatever they want per headphone. It may not be iPhone volume, but margins are definitely there.
 
converting users into paid? Beats doesn't have an ad-supported conversion funnel.

Beats music streaming does have a "free trail' option.

Technically, folks who continue to use it past the first 1 ( or 3 with AT&T) months are converting from 'free' to paid. Probably more accurate to characterize that as long term users as opposed to "conversion". ( although probably converted from some other music catalog 'solution'. )

Apple may pay slightly more for something that people buy but don't know about now. For example, they could use every Mac , iPhone, iPad sold to funnel customers into the 'free trail' period ( create/assign Apple ID for device and get free trail. If convert 20% of them into an extra $100/yr that would be real money. )


P.S. the somewhat dubious part in terms of the acquisition is the presumption that Beats high free trail conversion rate will continue. A significant portion of they adoption rate is converting MOG customer to Beats. Given Beats bought MOG and used that as the basis of the new service a high rate isn't necessarily indicative of broad scale adoption, nor particularly surprising.
 
I think it's pretty obvious Apple will be expanding iTunes Radio to include a full blown subscription service. It will be built right into the new standalone iTunes Radio app and let you listen to the whole iTunes catalog for $9.99 a month. It you don't want that you can still listen to the radio stations for free with ads or without ads if you have iTunes Match.
 
Interesting. You'd probably actually like it if you knew from the get go that it's the official logo for Beats Music.

Nope. Still don't like it.

The beats brand logo is nice actually, the "b" has a uniform weight throughout. This one doesn't. You also have curved elements conflicting with flat elements. Overall fairly gross.
 
If convert 20% of them into an extra $100/yr that would be real money.

I don't see that happening. iTunes Radio is free currently and $25/year for ad free with iTunes Match, is that right? Regardless how much better Beats is, I can't see them putting such pressure on the new acquisition to make money out of this service, especially when they offer a similar (despite how much worse it may be) service for free, or $25/year max.

They aren't buying this for a revenue stream, if anything, they'd buy it and incorporate it into their existing service at the same price points. They want to add value to their hardware, not make them more money directly (as nice as that always is of course). They're all about giving their hardware customers more stuff for free recently, not increasing the prices of what they offer already.
 
This is either not going to happen or will be a disaster.

iTunes faces a very specific threat: Spotify. The streaming model they've pioneered is clearly superior to iTunes' download model.

How would buying Beats help Apple counter that threat? With some independent brand selling headphones and operating a mediocre streaming service on the side?

That seems like such a confused model. If the threat is Spotify, they should go after them directly.

After all, you need to consider what the point of iTunes even is. Why does Apple even operate a music service? The reason is clear: to provide their hardware customers with a superior music service to anything they can get on other platforms. That's why iTunes only works with iPods, and not other MP3 players even though the music files are DRM-free.

Moving music services in to the cloud levels the playing field quite a lot. How does Apple continue to give Mac and iOS customers a better music experience than those on other platforms?

- If they bought Spotify, making the whole service platform-exclusive would annoy a lot of people. However, Apple might be able to deliver a superior experience with lower prices (bundled with iCloud?), a more permissive free tier for iOS devices, and higher quality audio for their own devices.

- If they bought Beats, things are messy. Headphones can't be device-exclusive since they go through the 3.5mm jack, so they don't help iTunes maintain relevance or help iOS/Mac devices be the best audio machines. The Beats service could be made platform-exclusive more easily than Spotify could, but then you're creating a little Apple-island and cutting off the social side of music that Spotify does so well. Apple would be competing against the cross-platform and more widely available Spotify, and would have a really hard time convincing anybody to switch. In my opinion, they will not win that fight.

I believe you are making some possibly unwarranted assumptions. I am not certain that Apple would remove Beats from other platforms, and there would be some legal issues if they did. Some subscribers have paid for a 12 month subscription and Beats has a contract with AT&T that wouldn't allow for ios exclusivity to happen. Fact is that there are so many media options on other platforms that iTunes no longer provides Apple users with anything that they couldn't get from a dozen other sources. Be it Amazon, Netflix, Spotify or Google Music; the subscription model is the future.
 
If this acquisition turns out to be that bigots among Apple fans will go away, so be it.

Bring it on, Apple!
 
Still not confirmed but if this is true this is how I see it.

Apple really should have had a Spotify competitor out as we speak or at the very least be ready to launch one.

And iTunes Radio is what? It is already out. It isn't rolled out worldwide on day one, but there is little stopping them from making increasing more rapid progress rolling it out once they have a handle on running the service.


Jobs may have shunned the subscription route but Cook has had the last few years to see the segment grow. He should have had Apple working on a true alternative to Spotify.

The major difference between Beats and Itune Radio/Spotify is that there is no gyrations to try to make ads pay for the subscription. Apple has already been incrementally on the "don't own" path with the incremental changes to Apple TV being a streaming service.


Beats bought MOG for 14M and within 2 years launched Beats Music. They did this with less resources than Apple.

There are upsides and downsides to not having lots of baggage to integrate with. MOG/Beats doesn't have to give folks access to music they already own.

iTunes is a bit of a mess because it is a kitchen sink of stuff now. iTunes Radio probably could have rolled out faster if it wasn't tightly coupled to iTunes baggage.


I would think Apple would want to rebrand Beats Music into something related to iTunes which is a stronger brand when it comes to digital music.

If Apple wants to get a decent ROI they would leave it separate except perhaps on AppleID and billing. Record companies have different labels. It won't hurt to use "Beats" to cover some set of demographics and "Apple"/"iTunes" to cover another with overlap between.

As you point out it took Beats two years to kill off MOG. Letting them "live" in a subsidiary company may not cancel their streaming contracts over the short term.
 
Not sure how the 90 days free streaming service works.. when I go to the app store it only says 7 days, even though I'm with at&t. :confused:

I never thought about subscribing to a rap music service before, not really my thing. Why is Apple doing this? :confused:

Why are their headphones popular exactly if they're not superior sounding? :confused:
 
Not sure how the 90 days free streaming service works.. when I go to the app store it only says 7 days, even though I'm with at&t. :confused:

I never thought about subscribing to a rap music service before, not really my thing. Why is Apple doing this? :confused:

Why are their headphones popular exactly if they're not superior sounding? :confused:

Beats purchased MOG which was probably the best subscription streaming service in the U.S.

I have not tried it under the Beats name but hopefully they haven't messed with anything.

And their headphones are popular because they spend the most amount of money on marketing. There are many far superior headphones @ $300 but they don't run ads on TV and they don't give stores a 50% margin
 
They aren't buying this for a revenue stream,

Eh? they are just giving away $3.2B because it is burning a hole in the pocket? Highly unlikely. They are paying billions because someone has some presentation of how it will make them more billions. Going to be pretty tough to make more billions if there is no revenue stream.

if anything, they'd buy it and incorporate it into their existing service at the same price points.

If the existing services are making money why bother? Are any of the 'free ad' streaming services making money. Most appear to be marketing budget black holes where more money has to be thrown in to get revenue to come out.

iTunes Match pricing is highly suggestive that is largely based on playing the music that people already own. That is going to run into a brick wall when start to accumulate customers that don't own large music catalogs already.

There isn't much proof that Apple's ad revenue and Match subscriptions are actually "paying to keep the lights on" at Apple. Indeed scrambling to throw $3B at Beats is highly suggestive that it isn't.


They want to add value to their hardware, not make them more money directly (as nice as that always is of course).

This makes no sense. The record companies are going to be charging money per year for streaming. Single event purchase hardware is not going to pay for multiple years of stream services. Just isn't. What have here is a on going, constant reoccurring cost. That means there needs to be a similarly on going revenue stream to match that.



They're all about giving their hardware customers more stuff for free recently, not increasing the prices of what they offer already.

Apple is about the delusion that there is more stuff for 'free'. The one shot 'freebies' and incremental services/upgrades are just built into the price of the hardware. They are being paid for. It is just bundled.

Streaming music is substantially different because Apple does not fully control that. What the yearly costs for music and how many songs have to play "unskipped" isn't really largely their control.

Apple has increasing shifted its revenues to "iTunes store". The tap dance of "that stuff is free we don't want to make money off of it" is wearing thing. They do. Just like don't plan to keep using "Apple TV is just a hobby" tap dance story going forever either.

Apple isn't out to sell hardware. They are far more so a systems company. They are out to sell a ecosystem. If part of that ecosystem has ongoing costs they are most definately out to cover that cost and make a substantive profit on top.

With scale will the current Beats pricing go down a bit? Probably. As low as Match? I have doubts given few if any are making streaming work right now except the record companies collecting the checks.
 
Not sure how the 90 days free streaming service works.. when I go to the app store it only says 7 days, even though I'm with at&t. :confused:

I never thought about subscribing to a rap music service before, not really my thing. Why is Apple doing this? :confused:

Why are their headphones popular exactly if they're not superior sounding? :confused:

Beats headphones are like pop music, not necessarily the best music but has the right formula for that mainstream market (especially it's bass music loving, young market).

Apple will grab those market, in addition, for having the opportunity to innovate it to satisfy the other segment (the purist or audiophile market).

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I am surprised Apple beats Google, Samsung and Facebook to this deal.
 
The more I think about it, for the short and long term, this is a master stroke bold move by Apple.
 
If people think this acquisition is stupid just because they don't like the headphone quality, they fail to realise the bigger picture, and they are real bozos.

The big picture is that YouTube WON the Streaming war, Spotify is a close 2nd.

Beats was just a way for Jimmy Iovine to make a quick buck, because being 4th place in streaming and hemorrhaging cash is NOT a business model.

Cook = / = Jobs
 
Google buys advanced AI and robotics, Facebook buys AI and communications… and Apple buys fashion accessories for urban kids.

Apple Maps still suck, Siri is still a gimmick and yet Apple spend billions on BS instead of on improving these core products.

Tim Cook's an idiot. He's the next Ballmer.

Extra extra: Fashion company buys fashion company, fanboys and haters surprised
 
Not sure how the 90 days free streaming service works.. when I go to the app store it only says 7 days, even though I'm with at&t. :confused:

I never thought about subscribing to a rap music service before, not really my thing. Why is Apple doing this? :confused:

Why are their headphones popular exactly if they're not superior sounding? :confused:
Beats is not a rap music service. I don't listen to rap and I am enjoying my two month trial with Beats. When you first sign up for Beats, they allow you to select or delete genres you like of don't like. They build their suggestions around those choices and pinpoint suggestions based on your individual listening habits.

They have gotten rid of features I loved on MOG ( artist radio with slider) and new releases are harder to find. RDio is the closest thing to MOG, but they just started converting their music to 320k, so I am sticking with Beats until RDio has completed their conversion. It s possible that Beats will add back those MOG features.

Personally, I am not a fan of Spotify. Howeve, I don't care about the social features.
 
And iTunes Radio is what? It is already out. It isn't rolled out worldwide on day one, but there is little stopping them from making increasing more rapid progress rolling it out once they have a handle on running the service.




The major difference between Beats and Itune Radio/Spotify is that there is no gyrations to try to make ads pay for the subscription. Apple has already been incrementally on the "don't own" path with the incremental changes to Apple TV being a streaming service.




There are upsides and downsides to not having lots of baggage to integrate with. MOG/Beats doesn't have to give folks access to music they already own.

iTunes is a bit of a mess because it is a kitchen sink of stuff now. iTunes Radio probably could have rolled out faster if it wasn't tightly coupled to iTunes baggage.




If Apple wants to get a decent ROI they would leave it separate except perhaps on AppleID and billing. Record companies have different labels. It won't hurt to use "Beats" to cover some set of demographics and "Apple"/"iTunes" to cover another with overlap between.

As you point out it took Beats two years to kill off MOG. Letting them "live" in a subsidiary company may not cancel their streaming contracts over the short term.

iTunes Radio is not a true competitor for Spotify's subscription model so I'm not sure what you're getting at. It's competition for Pandora.
 
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