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With all the Fake 5G AT&T nonsense floating around is the protocol for a 5G modem even established yet? I would assume it’s a slide scale which means buying the intel business could be a big risk or a money pit of R&D.
 
With all the Fake 5G AT&T nonsense floating around is the protocol for a 5G modem even established yet? I would assume it’s a slide scale which means buying the intel business could be a big risk or a money pit of R&D.
They aren’t buying the business - they don’t intend to sell modems to anyone. They are buying the patent portfolio and the technical know-how. Maybe employees, too.
 
Apple did a great job on their ARM chips, if they can do similarly well on modem chips, they can get exactly the modem chips they want, and pay Qualcomm only for patent licensing.

If Apple can give it the Ax treatment, that may reverse itself in a few years.

Sadly, that is not how modem chips do work. While you could produce superior and faster cpus than your competitors. Modem chips have a maximum performance limit the signal strenght and antenna construction allows. Qualcomm modems are already very close to that theoretical maximum. So even if Apple does some magic like on their Ax chips the end result may only be something like +5% faster than Qualcomm. It would be much better for Apple to stay focused on the CPU/GPU. This deal will mostly be about cross-licensing patents or saving costs. Nothing to get excited about from the consumer's point of view.
 
Sadly, that is not how modem chips do work. While you could produce superior and faster cpus than your competitors. Modem chips have a maximum performance limit the signal strenght and antenna construction allows. Qualcomm modems are already very close to that theoretical maximum. So even if Apple does some magic like on their Ax chips the end result may only be something like +5% faster than Qualcomm. It would be much better for Apple to stay focused on the CPU/GPU. This deal will mostly be about cross-licensing patents or saving costs. Nothing to get excited about from the consumer's point of view.

“Performance” isn’t just raw throughput. Efficiency is part of it. It is quite possible apple can achieve qualcomm-like wireless throughput and signal lock while burning a lot less power.
 
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Sadly, that is not how modem chips do work. While you could produce superior and faster cpus than your competitors. Modem chips have a maximum performance limit the signal strength and antenna construction allows. Qualcomm modems are already very close to that theoretical maximum. So even if Apple does some magic like on their Ax chips the end result may only be something like +5% faster than Qualcomm.
Where did either of the comments you quoted (mine included) say anything about making the modems faster? You're countering an argument that wasn't made. There have been numerous arguments made about Intel's modem chips performing less well than Qualcomm's (more about usability in weak signal scenarios than about speed), plus Apple doesn't like the licensing terms for Qualcomm chips. Apple has demonstrated their ability to engineer chips that perform precisely the way Apple wants (speed, power usage, thermal load, etc.). I'm saying they may be able to do similarly with modem chips, producing something that performs more to their liking than the Intel modems, while not buying chips from Qualcomm.
 
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In some ways this is a good thing but in others I think it is a bad thing with Apple buying up intel for the industry as a whole. Reason be it will make everyone else even more relent on Quadcom. I would rather see Apple go in with a few other companies and form a separate company that they would have an insisted and provide a good competitor to Quadcom.
 
In some ways this is a good thing but in others I think it is a bad thing with Apple buying up intel for the industry as a whole. Reason be it will make everyone else even more relent on Quadcom. I would rather see Apple go in with a few other companies and form a separate company that they would have an insisted and provide a good competitor to Quadcom.

Intel is already out of the business. So it’s not a question of Apple taking the Intel option away from the rest of the industry. It’s a question of whether Apple buys them and keeps the employees employed, or whether the patents are sold off to patent trolls who go around suing everyone.
 
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M-series is Apples motion coprocessors.

If they close the deal with intel, it actually could be as soon as 2021. Depending on how far along they are with the xmm 8160 it could even be ready as soon as 2020.

5mm a14 with the 8160 or 8260 built in.... cant wait.

Yes, but they can rebrand the Motion coprocessor. Remember that they started with the M7 with the A7 and iPhone 5S.

They can also choose C for cellular/communications. But M makes much more sense.
 
Yes, but they can rebrand the Motion coprocessor. Remember that they started with the M7 with the A7 and iPhone 5S.

They can also choose C for cellular/communications. But M makes much more sense.
The public doesn't really think "Modem" when they think "connecting my phone to the internet via LTE/5G network", so freeing up the "M" prefix seems to call it a "Modem" seems a bit off the mark. (Most non-techy people, if they recognize the word "modem" at all, they think back to dialup, or possibly a cablemodem.)

They didn't use "A" for accelerometer (or "G" for gyroscope, etc.), for the "Motion" coprocessor, they picked a name they thought could convey an idea to the public. I'd expect this to be a "Cellular" coprocessor, or "Wireless" coprocessor, or some such.
 
Apple is inching closer to becoming a vertical monopoly

Please describe how Apple designing (and let's be clear here, they will be designing and not manufacturing) its own cellular IP moves it towards being more of a vertical monopoly. It gives it no more or less power to sell iOS devices so I'm assuming you have some "novel" definition.
 
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